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The discussion centers around concerns related to funeral fraud, particularly in the context of pre-paid funeral arrangements and the legal implications of contracts signed well in advance of their execution. Participants explore the validity of such contracts, the potential for businesses to change ownership, and the implications of lifetime guarantees.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of contracts signed far in advance, particularly if the business changes ownership or closes, raising concerns about who is obligated to honor those contracts.
  • There is mention of historical examples, such as a scandal involving lifetime warranties on mufflers, which raises doubts about the reliability of such guarantees.
  • Participants express frustration over the legality of businesses not honoring contracts and question the effectiveness of laws designed to protect consumers.
  • Some suggest that instead of pre-paying for funeral expenses, individuals should consider setting up their own accounts to maintain control over their funds.
  • One participant shares a personal experience regarding a worthless lifetime guarantee on a funeral arrangement, highlighting the risks involved.
  • Another participant mentions that a business owner who failed to secure funds for contracts was involved in fraudulent activities, including draining accounts for personal investments.
  • There is a reference to legal actions taken against a business owner involved in fraudulent practices, indicating ongoing issues within the industry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the legality and ethics of funeral contracts, with no clear consensus on the best approach to avoid fraud. Disagreement exists regarding the responsibilities of new business owners versus previous owners in honoring contracts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding the enforcement of contracts and the implications of lifetime guarantees, with some noting the potential for businesses to mismanage funds. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on legal protections for consumers in these situations.

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I just went to the AARP site for my daily jigsaw puzzle and ran across this feature. Any of you Yanks who are planning to die better be careful.
http://www.aarpmagazine.org/money/funeral_rip_off.html Hmmm
hmmm... that's weird. I just tried this link myself and it doesn't work. :confused:

Okay, never mind. This time it took me to the site, which apologized for having a missing page. Maybe it'll start working later.

Is it too late to just delete this thread and go home?[/size] :rolleyes:
 
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I think that raises an interesting question in general about the validity of any contract signed that far in advance of when the terms in the contract will be exercised, and the wisdom of buying into one. If your contract is with a particular business, and the business closes or changes hands and changes names, how can a non-existent business honor a contract?

It's sort of like lifetime guarantees or warranties...even if the product life is that long, the guarantee or warranty is probably only really the lifetime of the business.
 
I vaguely remember that there was a scandal of sorts regarding something like mufflers back in the 70's. The thing came with a lifetime warrantee, but it turned out to be based upon the lifespan of the muffler. It pretty much came down to: if it was still okay, you could replace it. If it wasn't, then its lifetime had expired.
 
How can that be legal for that jerk to do that? Certainly he can be sued? Why aren't there laws to enforce the customer's contracts?
 
Evo said:
How can that be legal for that jerk to do that? Certainly he can be sued? Why aren't there laws to enforce the customer's contracts?

I don't know...he's not the original owner who signed the contracts. Is he obligated to honor the bad business choices of the previous owner? It sounds more like the previous owner is the one who should be sued, who didn't properly put the money into secure accounts.

I think the article had a good suggestion though, instead of paying in advance, just set up your own account to cover funeral expenses so you remain in control of the funds until your death.
 
My father bought one of those funeral arrangements with a lifetime guarantee. Needless to say, the guarantee was worthless.
 
jimmysnyder said:
My father bought one of those funeral arrangements with a lifetime guarantee. Needless to say, the guarantee was worthless.
<groan>
 
Moonbear said:
I don't know...he's not the original owner who signed the contracts. Is he obligated to honor the bad business choices of the previous owner? It sounds more like the previous owner is the one who should be sued, who didn't properly put the money into secure accounts.
Usually the buyer agrees to honor debts and contracts. Also, the money was put aside into a separate account, there was $20 million in it, but that snake and the attorney partner drained the money out and made bad investments to fund their own energy company and lost everything.
 
If you follow the story far enough, you'll see that the jerk was arrested on several charges. One can only hope that he ends up in his own crematorium.

And the link started working because Astronuc fixed it for me. Thanks, bud.
 

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