Noetherian Modules and Short Exact Sequences .... Bland, Corollary 4.2.6 ....

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The discussion centers on proving Corollary 4.2.6 from Paul E. Bland's "Rings and Their Modules," specifically in the context of Noetherian and Artinian modules. Participants confirm that in the exact sequence $$0\rightarrow M_1\overset{f}{\rightarrow}M\overset{g}{\rightarrow}M_2\rightarrow 0$$, the map $$f$$ is injective and $$g$$ is surjective. The first isomorphism theorem is applied, leading to the conclusion that if $$M$$ is Noetherian, then both $$M_1$$ and $$M_2$$ are also Noetherian, as derived from Proposition 4.2.5.

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I am reading Paul E. Bland's book, "Rings and Their Modules".

I am focused on Section 4.2: Noetherian and Artinian Modules and need some help to fully understand the proof of part of Corollary 4.2.6 ... ...

Corollary 4.2.6 reads as follows:View attachment 8193
Bland gives a statement of Corollary 4.2.6 but does not offer a proof ... ...

Can someone please explain how to prove Corollary 4.2.6 ...Since Corollary 4.2.6 is a corollary to Proposition 4.2.5 I am providing the text of Proposition 4.2.5 and its proof ... as follows ... ... https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/8194
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$$0\rightarrow M_1\overset{f}{\rightarrow}M\overset{g}{\rightarrow}M_2\rightarrow 0$$

is an exact sequence of R-modules, what can you say about the R-maps $f$ and $g$, and the R-modules $M_1$, $M$, and $M_2$ ? (see page 83).
 
steenis said:
$$0\rightarrow M_1\overset{f}{\rightarrow}M\overset{g}{\rightarrow}M_2\rightarrow 0$$

is an exact sequence of R-modules, what can you say about the R-maps $f$ and $g$, and the R-modules $M_1$, $M$, and $M_2$ ? (see page 83).
Thanks steenis ...

I think we can say that ...

$$\text{ I am } f = \text{ Ker } g \text{ at } M$$ ...and that $$\text{ I am } 0 = \{ 0 \} = \text{ Ker } f$$ at $$M_1$$

so that $$f$$ is a monomorphism ... that is $$f$$ is injective ...and also $$\text{ I am } g = \text{ Ker } 0 = M_2$$ at $$M_2$$ ... ...

so that $$g$$ is an epimorphism ... that is $$g$$ is surjective ...Is that correct?

Peter
 
Yes, that is correct.

What can you say about $M_1$, $M$, and $M_2$. knowing that $g$ is surjective and $f$ is injective, use the first isomorphism theorem.
 
steenis said:
Yes, that is correct.

What can you say about $M_1$, $M$, and $M_2$. knowing that $g$ is surjective and $f$ is injective, use the first isomorphism theorem.
If the module homomorphism $$\phi \ : \ R \to S$$ is surjective then $$R/ \text{ Ker } \phi \cong S$$ ... so ... in our case ...
$$g$$ is a surjective homomorphism so ...

$$M/ \text{ Ker } g \cong M_2 $$

$$\Longrightarrow M/ \text{ I am } f \cong M_2$$
$$f$$ is surjective on $$\text{ I am } f$$ so ...

$$M_1 / \text{ Ker } f \cong \text{ I am } f$$

$$\Longrightarrow M_1/ \{ 0 \} \cong \text{ I am } f$$

... ... but not sure of the nature of $$M_1/ \{ 0 \}$$ and so not sure how to simplify it ...
Hope that is correct ...

Peter
 
$M_1/\{0\}=M_1$

$M/im f \cong \cdots$

MHB is slow, very slow ...
 
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steenis said:
$M_1/\{0\}=M_1$

$M/im f = \cdots$

MHB is slow, very slow ...
Thanks steenis ...

Then we have ...

$$f$$ is surjective on $$\text{ I am } f$$ so ...

$$M_1 / \text{ Ker } f \cong \text{ I am } f$$

$$\Longrightarrow M_1/ \{ 0 \} \cong \text{ I am } f$$

$$\Longrightarrow M_1 \cong \text{ I am } f$$ ... ... but now ... can we conclude ...

$$M/ \text{ I am } f = M/M_1$$ ... ... but this assumes $$M_1 = \text{ I am } f $$ ... and we only have $$M_1 \cong \text{ I am } f$$ ...Is it OK to conclude $$M/ \text{ I am } f = M/M_1$$ ... ... ?Note that if we can conclude $$M/ \text{ I am } f = M/M_1$$ then we can say that ...

$$M/M_1 \cong M_2$$ ...
... can you help and clarify the above thinking ...

Peter
 
Actually $M/ \text{ I am } f \cong M/M_1$

Now you have enough to apply proposition 4.2.5. Can you do that?

Suppose $M$ is noetherian, we have $im f \leq M$ then ...
 
steenis said:
Actually $M/ \text{ I am } f \cong M/M_1$

Now you have enough to apply proposition 4.2.5. Can you do that?

Suppose $M$ is noetherian, we have $im f \leq M$ then ...
I think the argument to apply Proposition 4.2.5 so as to prove Corollary 4.2.6 from here would be something like the following ... $$M$$ is Noetherian $$\Longrightarrow \text{ I am } f$$, being a submodule of $$M$$, is Noetherian and $$M/ \text{ I am } f$$ is Noetherian (Proposition 4.2.5)


$$\Longrightarrow$$ $$M_1$$ is Noetherian and $$M/M_1$$ is Noetherian since $$M_1 \cong \text{ I am } f$$$$\Longrightarrow M_1$$ is Noetherian and $$M_2$$ is Noetherian since $$M/M_1 \cong M_2$$ ...
Is that correct ... ... ?

Peter
 
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That is correct, the converse goes in the same way.
 

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