Non-constant acceleration, solving for velocity

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The discussion revolves around solving for the velocity of a particle experiencing non-constant acceleration, specifically where acceleration is defined as a function of time (a = c*t). The original poster is seeking to express velocity as a function of position, having already derived velocity in terms of time.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and position, noting the challenge of eliminating time from the equations. Some suggest calculating position as a function of time, while others express concerns about the complexity of the resulting expressions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various participants exploring different methods to relate velocity to position. Some have provided insights into the integration process and the need for initial conditions, while others highlight the difficulties encountered in manipulating the equations.

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Participants are working under the assumption that initial conditions for velocity and position are known, but they are not provided with a direct function for position as a function of time. This constraint is influencing their approaches and the complexity of the problem.

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Hello!

I am trying to solve for the velocity in terms of position of a particle moving with non-constant acceleration.
a=c*t (where c is a constant)

I can easily solve for velocity in terms of t.
dv/dt=a
dv/dt=c*t
I differentiate and get v=1/2*c*t^2+v0 (where v(0)=v0)

However I am not sure how to solve for velocity in terms of only position. I would know how to do this if acceleration was proportional to velocity, but since it is proportional to time, I am not sure what to do to get rid of the variable t.

Let me know if anyone has any suggestions.
 
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What's position as a function of time (for this motion)?
 
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In general, knowing the acceleration function will only give you changes in velocity.
To know the velocity function, you will also need to know the initial velocity - or the velocity at some point in time.
 
We are not given the position as a function of time. We are only given acceleration and are to assume that v(0)=v0 (a constant) and x(0)=x0 (a different constant).
 
turtles123 said:
We are not given the position as a function of time.
If you are not given position as a function of time, you could always calculate it!
 
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Yes, I did solve for position as a function of time, but then to make velocity of a function of position is very messy. When I plug in time= from the velocity equation into the position equation I get a very funky and long result, that I can't put in terms of x=
 
Alternatively if I try to solve for t from the x(t) equation it is very hard to do so because I have #t^3+#t.
 
turtles123 said:
Alternatively if I try to solve for t from the x(t) equation it is very hard to do so because I have #t^3+#t.
The general problem does look a bit gnarly. Why are you doing this?
 
turtles123 said:
Alternatively if I try to solve for t from the x(t) equation it is very hard to do so because I have #t^3+#t.
I thought you had a=ct and v0 = v0 ... c and V0 are constants.

If this is the case, you do not need to compute position as a function of time. If you did, you would need to include a p0.

dv(t)/dt = a(t)
So integrate.
 
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But then I get velocity in terms of time and I need velocity in terms of position, x.
 
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turtles123 said:
But then I get velocity in terms of time and I need velocity in terms of position, x.
So you will need a p0. So you solve p=f(t) - which will be a quadratic. The you solve for the quadratic.
 
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1. You know that ##v=v_0+\frac{1}{2}ct^2.##
2. Solve this equation for ##t## in terms of ##v## and the constants.
3. Observe that $$a=\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{dv}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}=v\frac{dv}{dx}~\Rightarrow~\frac{dv}{dx}=\frac{a}{v}=\frac{ct}{v}.$$4. 4. Replace ##t## with what you got in step 2.
5. Separate variables and integrate.
 

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