Non-dimensionalization of Schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the non-dimensionalization of the Schrödinger equation, particularly focusing on the transformation of the wave function and the implications of unit choices in quantum theory. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and practical reasoning behind these transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method for non-dimensionalizing the Schrödinger equation by changing the wave function using a specific relation between the dimensional and non-dimensionalized variables.
  • Another participant argues that the projective Hilbert space structure of quantum theory renders the Schrödinger equation independent of any choice of unit or dimension, suggesting that units are merely linear factors that do not affect the underlying physics.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the idea of multiplying a wave function by a factor with dimensions, questioning whether this approach treats units as if they were complex numbers.
  • In response, it is noted that the construction of probabilities in quantum mechanics inherently cancels out any units, leading to dimensionless probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the implications of unit choices and the nature of wave functions in quantum mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved as differing perspectives on the treatment of dimensions and units are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of wave functions and their transformations are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the non-dimensionalization process.

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I had a course of computational physics in university. When the professor wanted to non-dimensiolize the Schrödinger equation, among other things, he changed the wave function using the relation [itex]|\psi(x)|^2 dx=|\phi(y)|^2 dy[/itex] where y is the non-dimensionalized postion ([itex]y=\frac x a[/itex]) and so [itex]\phi(y)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{a}} \psi(x)[/itex]. This seems reasonable to me because wave function has dimension of [itex][L]^{-\frac 1 2}[/itex] in one dimension. But when I search the internet for non-dimensionalization of Schrödinger equation, non of them do this step. Why? What's the point?
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The *projective* Hilbert space structure of QT already makes the Schroedinger equation perfectly agnostic of any choice of unit or dimension. Units and dimensions are just linear factors of the amplitude, which are removed by stepping from vectors to rays. They come only back in if you label your measurement outcomes, i.e. they are a choice of how you map your eigenvalues to arbitrary scales.

Cheers,

Jazz
 
Jazzdude said:
The *projective* Hilbert space structure of QT already makes the Schroedinger equation perfectly agnostic of any choice of unit or dimension. Units and dimensions are just linear factors of the amplitude, which are removed by stepping from vectors to rays. They come only back in if you label your measurement outcomes, i.e. they are a choice of how you map your eigenvalues to arbitrary scales.

Cheers,

Jazz

I can understand that. But its just strange to think that you can multiply a wave function by e.g. [itex]m^\frac 1 2[/itex] to get another wave function on the same ray! That seems like treating units as they are complex numbers.
 
Shyan said:
I can understand that. But its just strange to think that you can multiply a wave function by e.g. [itex]m^\frac 1 2[/itex] to get another wave function on the same ray! That seems like treating units as they are complex numbers.

Yep, it seems strange. But that's exactly how it works and it is the only way to get a consistent construction. Remember that the the dimensionless probabilities that would motivate a unit or dimension for the wavefunction is defined as a fraction with the wavefunction in the numerator and the denominator. Any choice of unit cancels there and the probability is automatically dimensionless.

Cheers,

Jazz
 

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