Non-invariance under 2-Pi rotations?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of non-invariance under 2π rotations in quantum systems, particularly focusing on the behavior of wave functions and spinors. Participants explore theoretical implications and examples related to quantum mechanics and spin, as well as the mathematical underpinnings of these phenomena.

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  • One participant questions the invariance of quantum systems under 2π rotations, referencing the sign change of wave functions.
  • Another participant explains that for half-integral spin systems, such as electrons, a 2π rotation results in a sign change of the wave function, but this does not affect probability calculations due to squaring the wave function.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that spinors are double-valued functions, and for spin one-half particles, the wave function and its negative represent the same physical state when transitioning from SU(2) to SO(3).
  • A participant provides a mathematical representation of a unit vector in polar coordinates and discusses how the spinor operator behaves under 2π rotations, noting that while the vector remains unchanged, the eigenstate of the operator changes sign.
  • Another participant introduces a conceptual analogy involving elastic forces and topological considerations, suggesting that a 2π rotation results in a different topological situation compared to a 4π rotation.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of 2π rotations, particularly regarding the nature of spinors and the physical significance of sign changes in wave functions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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I have heard that quantum systems (and therefor all physical systems) are not truly invariant under 2∏ rotations. Something to do w/ the wave function changing sign. Is this true? Can someone point me to an on-line primer on this?

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Well, for non-relativistic systems in which the spin is half integral (an electron from Pauli equation, for example), a rotation of angle 2[itex]\pi[/itex] indeed changes the sign of the electronic wavefunction. However, this is not really important, because in computing the probabilities, we always take a square, thus such a phase factor is eliminated.

Anyways, Ballentine's book on QM (or any group theory book for physicists) explains how that (-1)^s comes from.
 
There's a difference. Spinors are double-valued functions. When you write a spinor wavefunction there is always understood to be a ± sign in front. A spinor ψ is a single-valued function on the group space of SU(2), but when you go to SO(3) the mapping is twofold, and ψ becomes double-valued. Consequently for a spin one-half object, ψ and -ψ do not just "differ by a phase", they are literally the same.
 
Here we define unit vector n in the polar coordinate.

[tex]\vec{n} = ( \sin\theta \cos\varphi, \, \sin\theta \sin\varphi, \, \cos\theta )[/tex]
Of course by 2pi rotation, this vector doesn't change,

[tex]\varphi \to \varphi + 2\pi, \qquad \vec{n} \to \vec{n}[/tex]
The n component of the spinor operator is

[tex]\hat{S}_n = \vec{n}\cdot \vec{S} = \frac{\hbar}{2} \left[ (\sin\theta \cos\varphi) \sigma_1 + (\sin\theta \sin\varphi) \sigma_2 + (\cos\theta) \sigma_3 \right][/tex]
where sigma is Pauli matrices. So,

[tex]\hat{S}_n = \frac{\hbar}{2} \left( \begin{array}{cc} \cos\theta & e^{-i\varphi} \sin\theta \\ e^{i\varphi} \sin\theta & -\cos\theta \end{array} \right)[/tex]
The eigenstate of this operator (which direction is "n" ) is

[tex]\alpha_n = \left( \begin{array}{c} \cos \frac{\theta}{2} e^{-i\varphi /2} \\ \sin\frac{\theta}{2} e^{i\varphi /2} \end{array} \right) \quad \hat{S}_n \alpha_n = \frac{\hbar}{2} \alpha_n[/tex]
If we rotate the direction of "n" by 2pi, the unit vector "n" doesn't change, as shown above.

[tex]\vec{n} \to \vec{n} \quad (\varphi \to \varphi + 2\pi)[/tex]
But its eigenstate change from +1 to -1 by 2pi rotation.

[tex]\alpha_n \to - \alpha_n \quad (\varphi \to \varphi + 2\pi)[/tex]
 
Another way to think of it is that if an object shares an elastic force or field interaction with other objects that have spatial extension, spinning the object [itex]2\pi[/itex] radians gives a different topological situation compared with [itex]4\pi[/itex] radians.

Dirac is said to have invented this type of example to explain the concept:

Spinor rotated twice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7wvWJ3-t44&NR=1
 
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