Schrödinger's equation: a diffusion or a wave equation?

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The discussion centers on the nature of Schrödinger's equation, specifically whether it should be classified as a wave equation or a diffusion equation. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical properties, and the effects of transformations such as Wick rotation.

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  • Some participants argue that Schrödinger's equation is a wave equation due to its persistence of wavelike initial conditions, contrasting with diffusion equations where such excitations decay to equilibrium.
  • Others propose that the Galilean invariance of Schrödinger's equation aligns it more closely with diffusion equations, which are also Galilean invariant, while wave equations are typically Lorentz invariant.
  • A participant mentions that the mathematical classification of Schrödinger's equation as a parabolic partial differential equation (PDE) supports the view that it resembles diffusion equations.
  • There is a discussion about Wick rotation, with some suggesting that it transforms Schrödinger's equation into a diffusion equation by removing the factor of ##i##.
  • Participants question the definition of "the" wave equation, noting that there are multiple types of wave equations, some of which may be Galilean invariant.

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Participants express differing views on whether Schrödinger's equation is best classified as a wave equation or a diffusion equation. There is no consensus, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some claims rely on specific assumptions about the nature of dynamical variables and the definitions of wave and diffusion equations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of classifying equations based on their mathematical properties and physical interpretations.

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From many sources (Internet, Landau & Lifshitz, etc.), it is claimed that the Schrödinger's equation is a wave equation. However I do not understand why for the following reasons:

  • It is Galilean invariant, unlike the wave equation which is Lorentz invariant. Note that the diffusion/heat equation is also Galilean invariant.
  • If one takes the free particle localized in a finite region at time t0, then at any instant afterwards, the wavefunction will have non zero values arbitrarily far away from that region. I.e. there is a diffusion without any speed limit, of the wavepacket. That's another point making the Schrödinger equation looking more like the heat equation than the wave equation.
  • Mathematically its determinant is such that the Schrödinger's equation qualifies as a parabolic PDE, same as the heat equation and unlike the wave equation (hyperbolic).
On IRC someone said something about a Wick rotation in QFT (and there is an obscure Wikipedia sentence about it), and that apparently this makes the Schrödinger's equation a wave equation rather than a diffusion or heat one. Can someone shed some light?
 
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The standard criterion for parabolicity assumes real dynamical variables, hence your corresponding claim is wrong.

In a diffusion equation or any parabolic euation, wavelike excitations decay to an equilibrium state. But wavelike initial conditions in solutions of the Schrödinger equations persist. This makes it a wave equation, not parabolic.

Wick rotation removes the factor ##i## from the Schrödinger equation and turns it into a diffusion equation.
 
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fluidistic said:
It is Galilean invariant, unlike the wave equation which is Lorentz invariant

What is "the" wave equation? There are many wave equations. Some are Galilean invariant, some are Lorentz invariant.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
The standard criterion for parabolicity assumes real dynamical variables, hence yuour corresponding claim is rong.)
Thanks a lot! I was unaware of this!

Arnold said:
In a diffusion equation or any parabolic euation, wavelike excitations decay to an equilibrium state. But wavelike initial conditions in solutions of the Schrödinger equations persist. This makes it a wave equation, not parabolic.
Hmm, let's take the free particle initially as a localized wave packet. The equilibrium state is the total uncertainty in spatial space. After an infinite amount of time, the information of where the particle was initially localized, is lost. It is exactly the same as in the case of say an infinite rod that had initially a heat source that was later removed. After an infinite (or extremely large) time, the information of where that perturbation was applied is lost.
Am I missing something here?

Arnold said:
Wick rtation removes the factor ##i## from the Schrödinger equation and turns it into a diffusion equation.
I see. I thought there was something much deeper than that.
 
PeterDonis said:
What is "the" wave equation? There are many wave equations. Some are Galilean invariant, some are Lorentz invariant.
Whoops, I had in mind the one of the E and B fields that satisfy Maxwell equation.
 

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