Non-linear Operators: Physical Reasons Explained

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The discussion centers on the reasons for choosing linear operators to represent observables in quantum mechanics, exploring both physical and mathematical justifications. Participants examine the implications of linearity in the context of quantum theory and the potential for nonlinear operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while there may not be a clear physical reason for the linearity of quantum mechanics, the mathematical simplicity of linear models is a significant factor.
  • Others note that linear operators allow for real eigenvalues, which are necessary for measurable quantities, but question whether this constitutes a true physical reason.
  • A participant mentions that every reversible nonlinear dynamical system can be represented as a reversible linear system in a larger space, suggesting a deeper mathematical relationship.
  • Some argue that the choice of linear operators may be more of a practical decision than a physical necessity, with nonlinear systems sometimes being manageable through linear representations.
  • There is a discussion about the trade-offs between linear and nonlinear approaches depending on the specific questions being addressed in quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the physical necessity of linear operators, with some leaning towards the idea that it is a practical choice. Multiple viewpoints on the implications of linearity versus nonlinearity remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the mathematical framework surrounding nonlinear operators and the potential for different representations depending on the context of the problem being analyzed.

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Hi,
I was wondering: What is the physical reason for only choosing linear operators to represent observables?
 
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I don't know if there's a certain physical reason for which quantum mechanics is linear, but there's certainly a mathematical one: the models built from a linear QM explain (up to gravity) just about everything we know in the microscopical realm.

OTOH, the mathematics of linear operators is a lot simpler and far more studied than the one of nonlinear operators.
 
Hm,
yeah, it's certainly true that the mathematics is simpler and a lot of things we use - for example the spectral theorem - require operators to be linear. But I can't seem to find a physical reason for why that should be so.
The only thing that comes to mind is the requirement of real eigenvalues. For that you need a self adjoint (and therefore linear, since we are dealing with operators on Hilbert spaces, not star algebras or the like) operator. Since we measure those quantities, the should be real. But I'm not sure if this qualifies as a "physical reason"...
 
QuantumCosmo said:
Hm,
yeah, it's certainly true that the mathematics is simpler and a lot of things we use - for example the spectral theorem - require operators to be linear. But I can't seem to find a physical reason for why that should be so.
The only thing that comes to mind is the requirement of real eigenvalues. For that you need a self adjoint (and therefore linear, since we are dealing with operators on Hilbert spaces, not star algebras or the like) operator. Since we measure those quantities, the should be real. But I'm not sure if this qualifies as a "physical reason"...

The simple answer is: It is enough.

The sophisticated answer is: One can rewrite every reversible nonlinear dynamical system as a reversible linear system in a much bigger space. This is a nontrivial generalization of the simple observation that one can represent any permutation of n objects as a linear operator in R^n. (Think of reversible motion on the list of objects as being a sequence of permutations...)

By the way, the space where the standard model lives in is truly very big.
 
Ok, so it is really a practical decision rather than a physical necessity?
Thank you! :)
 
QuantumCosmo said:
Ok, so it is really a practical decision rather than a physical necessity?
Many nonlinear systems are tractable by functional analytic techniques in a bigger linear space. On the other hand, a linear problem may have a more tractable nonlinear representation; then this may be an important advantage. It depends a lot on what sort of questions one is trying to answer.
 

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