Non-Uniform Circular Motion: Locomotive Rounding a Curve

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The discussion revolves around a problem in non-uniform circular motion involving a locomotive rounding a curve. The problem specifies the radius of the curve and the rates of acceleration, prompting participants to determine the locomotive's speed at a given instant based on total acceleration measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between total acceleration, centripetal acceleration, and tangential acceleration. There are attempts to manipulate equations to isolate variables, with questions about the implications of negative values in calculations and the absence of mass in the provided information.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the equations involved, particularly the distinction between centripetal acceleration and radial acceleration. There is acknowledgment of the missing mass variable and its impact on calculations, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of mass in the problem statement, which complicates the calculation of radial acceleration. There is also a mention of potential confusion regarding the signs in the equations used.

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Homework Statement



As a locomotive rounds a circular curve of radius 2.10 km (which would be 2100 m to keep all the units the same), its speed is increasing at a rate of 0.440 m/s2. An instrument in the cab (an accelerometer) indicates that the magnitude of the locomotive's total acceleration at a particular instant is 0.760 m/s2. What is the locomotive's speed at that instant?

After I got it wrong the first few times, I was also given the hint: "The total acceleration is the VECTOR sum of the centripetal acceleration and the tangential acceleration."

Homework Equations



The equations I have in my notes regarding non-uniform circular motion are:
Radial Acceleration: Ar = -(mv^2)/R

Tangential acceleration: At = d|v|/dt

and Total Acceleration: Atot = √(Ar^2 + At^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



To solve, would it be correct to do the following:

Ar = √(Atot^2 - At^2)

And then sub that number into

V = √((RAr)/(-m)

But, if I were to do that, I would get the square root of a negative number, which is an irrational number, which I can't have as a velocity?

Is there a better way to go about this question? What am I doing wrong?
 
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Becca93 said:
The equations I have in my notes regarding non-uniform circular motion are:
Radial Acceleration: Ar = -(mv^2)/R
The negative sign just indicates that the acceleration is towards the center. Just worry about the magnitude.

Otherwise your approach is fine.
 
Doc Al said:
The negative sign just indicates that the acceleration is towards the center. Just worry about the magnitude.

Otherwise your approach is fine.

But there is no 'm' given in the question, and I don't know how to get radial acceleration any other way.
 
Becca93 said:
But there is no 'm' given in the question, and I don't know how to get radial acceleration any other way.
Oops, I didn't see that. Your equation is not quite right:
Becca93 said:
The equations I have in my notes regarding non-uniform circular motion are:
Radial Acceleration: Ar = -(mv^2)/R
That's the centripetal force. The radial acceleration is just v^2/R.
 
Doc Al said:
Oops, I didn't see that. Your equation is not quite right:

That's the centripetal force. The radial acceleration is just v^2/R.

I must have copied it incorrectly during class. Thank you!
 

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