Nonlinear Operators on Finitely Generated Vector Spaces: Group Property Example

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The discussion revolves around finding a nonlinear operator on finitely generated vector spaces, particularly in ℝn, that exhibits the group property. An example provided is the function f: ℝ → ℝ defined by f(x) = x^2, but the focus is on functions that satisfy f(x+y) = f(x) + f(y) without being ℝ-linear. The existence of such functions relies on the axiom of choice, with a construction involving a basis of ℝ as a vector space over ℚ. Additionally, the conversation explores the definition of linear transformations and the criteria that distinguish them from nonlinear mappings, emphasizing the need for a collection of functions that do not adhere to linearity while maintaining group properties.
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Can someone give an example of a nonlinear operator on a finitely generated vector space(preferably ℝn)? I'd be particularly interested to see an example of such that has the group property as well.
 
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Finding a nonlinear operator is of course very easy. Take f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow x^2.

But you seem to be interested in a function f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R} such that f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) for all x,y\in \mathbb{R} but that is still not \mathbb{R}-linear.

The existence of such a function depends on the axiom of choice. One construction is as follows. We know that \mathbb{R} is a \mathbb{Q}-vector space. Let \{e_i\}_{i\in I} a basis of \mathbb{R} as \mathbb{Q}-vector space. We can write every x\in \mathbb{R} uniquely as

x=\sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i

where each \alpha_i is rational and only finitely many of them are nonzero. Now take an arbitrary but fixed j\in I. Take the function

f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}: \sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i\rightarrow \alpha_j

This function satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) (because it is \mathbb{Q}-linear), but it is not \mathbb{R} linear!
 
micromass said:
Finding a nonlinear operator is of course very easy. Take f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow x^2.

But you seem to be interested in a function f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R} such that f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) for all x,y\in \mathbb{R} but that is still not \mathbb{R}-linear.

The existence of such a function depends on the axiom of choice. One construction is as follows. We know that \mathbb{R} is a \mathbb{Q}-vector space. Let \{e_i\}_{i\in I} a basis of \mathbb{R} as \mathbb{Q}-vector space. We can write every x\in \mathbb{R} uniquely as

x=\sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i

where each \alpha_i is rational and only finitely many of them are nonzero. Now take an arbitrary but fixed j\in I. Take the function

f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}: \sum_{i\in I} \alpha_i e_i\rightarrow \alpha_j

This function satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) (because it is \mathbb{Q}-linear), but it is not \mathbb{R} linear!





That's not quite what I meant. When I spoke of a non-linear operator, I was talking about a mapping η : Vn→Vn (where Vn is a vector space of positive integer dimension n) such that η is a non-linear transformation. The term "transformation" is used in vector algebra to mean a function mapping of a vector space into itself . So if ψ is a mapping from Vn→Vn that maps n-tuples to n-tuples, then for any vectors u,v in Vn, ψ is linear if:

(1): ψ(\vec{u})+ ψ(\vec{v}) = ψ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \; \forall \; \vec{u},\vec{v} \in V^n

and

(2): \forall λ(scalar), \; λψ(\vec{v})=ψ(λ\vec{v}) \; \forall \vec{v} \in V^n


Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that statement (1) is what is called the superposition principle. Much like for any real number r, the function f(x)=rx obeys this principle for any (x,y) in ℝ: f(x+y) = r(x+y) = rx + ry = f(x) + f(y). As you probably know, any non-singular invertible square matrix An qualifies as a linear operator in ℝn and the collection of all such n-square invertible matrices is a group called the general linear group denoted by GL(n,ℝ).

So for any finite dimensional vector space V, let C(Vn,Vn) be the collection of all functions mapping V → V(for dimension n). So what I'm looking for is a subcollection D in C(Vn,Vn) such that

\forall ζ \in D \subseteq C(V^n,V^n), \; ζ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \neq ζ(\vec{u})+ζ(\vec{v}) \; whenever \; \vec{u} \neq \vec{v} \; \; \forall (\vec{u},\vec{v}) \in V^n

And in particular, a collection D in C(ℝn,ℝn) where D satisfies the group property under multiplication(and perhaps addition too but that's optional).
 
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Zelyucha said:
That's not quite what I meant. When I spoke of a non-linear operator, I was talking about a mapping η : Vn→Vn (where Vn is a vector space of positive integer dimension n) such that η is a non-linear transformation. The term "transformation" is used in vector algebra to mean a function mapping of a vector space into itself . So if ψ is a mapping from Vn→Vn that maps n-tuples to n-tuples, then for any vectors u,v in Vn, ψ is linear if:

(1): ψ(\vec{u})+ ψ(\vec{v}) = ψ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \; \forall \; \vec{u},\vec{v} \in V^n

and

(2): \forall λ(scalar), \; λψ(\vec{v})=ψ(λ\vec{v}) \; \forall \vec{v} \in V^n
And that is exactly what micromass gave you with n= 1.


Property (1) is what makes ψ Linear
No. Properties 1 and 2 are both necessary to have ψ linear.

and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that statement (1) is what is called the superposition principle. Much like for any real number r, the function f(x)=rx obeys this principle for any (x,y) in ℝ: f(x+y) = r(x+y) = rx + ry = f(x) + f(y). As you probably know, any non-singular invertible square matrix An qualifies as a linear operator in ℝn and the collection of all such n-square invertible matrices is a group called the general linear group denoted by GL(n,ℝ).

So for any finite dimensional vector space V, let C(Vn,Vn) be the collection of all functions mapping V → V(for dimension n). So what I'm looking for is a subcollection D in C(Vn,Vn) such that

\forall ζ \in D \subseteq C(V^n,V^n), \; ζ(\vec{u}+\vec{v}) \neq ζ(\vec{u})+ζ(\vec{v}) \; whenever \; \vec{u} \neq \vec{v} \; \; \forall (\vec{u},\vec{v}) \in V^n

And in particular, a collection D in C(ℝn,ℝn) where D satisfies the group property under multiplication(and perhaps addition too but that's optional).
 
Furthermore, what do you mean with the "group property" in this case?
 
Zelyucha said:
And in particular, a collection D in C(ℝn,ℝn) where D satisfies the group property under multiplication(and perhaps addition too but that's optional).

So let n = 1. Take all constant functions f(x) = c with c > 0.
Then f(x+y) = c but f(x)+f(y) = 2c.
And you have a group under point-wise multiplication.
 
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