Norm of a Function vs. Length of a Vector

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The discussion centers on the concept of the norm of a function versus the length of a vector, specifically in the context of the function f(x) = -2x + 1 within the vector space C[0,1]. Participants explore the differences between these two concepts and express confusion regarding their relationship.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the norm (f,f) for the function f(x) = -2x + 1 and finds it to be 1/3, expressing confusion about the difference between this norm and the length of a vector derived from the function.
  • The same participant proposes that the function can be represented as a vector v = 0i - 2j and calculates its length to be 2, questioning why this differs from the norm.
  • Another participant asserts that the length of a curve or straight line does not relate to its norm, questioning the assumption that they should be equivalent.
  • A further contribution clarifies that the norm of the function is defined by the integral (f.f) = ∮ f^2 dx from 0 to 1, confirming the calculation of 1/3 as correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the norm of a function and the length of its graph. There is no consensus on why these values differ, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the underlying assumptions and definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that there are multiple definitions for the norm of a function, which may contribute to the confusion. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these definitions on the comparison being made.

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Suppose f(x)= -2x+1 is a vector in the vector space C[0,1].

Calculating the norm (f,f) results in 1/3.

I'm a little confused.

So on [0,1] the function is a straight line from (0,1) to (0,-1).

So I thought I could simply takes this line segment and turn it into a directed line segment originating from the origin. So it would be equivalent to the vector v= 0i - 2j (right?)

, so then ||v|| = sqr(0^2 + (-2)^2) = 2

So the length of vector v is 2.

Why is this different from the norm (f,f)? Shouldn't they be the same?

...or am I completely missing the point here of the norm / inner product of the function?
 
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pr0me7heu2 said:
Suppose f(x)= -2x+1 is a vector in the vector space C[0,1].

Calculating the norm (f,f) results in 1/3.

I'm a little confused.

So on [0,1] the function is a straight line from (0,1) to (0,-1).

So I thought I could simply takes this line segment and turn it into a directed line segment originating from the origin. So it would be equivalent to the vector v= 0i - 2j (right?)

, so then ||v|| = sqr(0^2 + (-2)^2) = 2

So the length of vector v is 2.

Why is this different from the norm (f,f)? Shouldn't they be the same?

...or am I completely missing the point here of the norm / inner product of the function?

There is more then one definition for the norm of a function.
 
The length of a curve (or straight line) has little to do with its "norm". Why do you think they should be the same?

Your title, "Norm of a Vector Versus Length of a Vector" is somewhat misleading. You are actually talking about the norm of a function (thought of as a vector) and the length of its graph which is not at all a vector.
 
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The norm of the function defined in this case is (f.f) = [tex]\oint f^2 dx[/tex]
The limits are from 0 to 1.
The above integral turns out to be 1/3 which is the correct answer.
 

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