Normalisation of quantum states

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of quantum states, particularly focusing on the implications of combining states that may not be orthogonal. Participants explore the conditions under which a quantum state remains normalized and the effects of using identical states in superpositions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a normalized quantum state and questions the normalization when the states are identical.
  • Another participant notes that the states must be normalized and orthogonal for the normalization to hold, highlighting that identical states are not orthogonal.
  • A third participant points out the implicit assumption of orthogonality in the initial expression.
  • A later reply discusses the application of ladder operators on paired states, providing examples of state transformations and expressing some initial confusion about normalization, which is later resolved.
  • One participant suggests looking into the Gram–Schmidt process as a potential method for addressing normalization issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the normalization of quantum states when combining identical states, with some clarifying the requirements for normalization while others explore specific applications and transformations. The discussion reflects both confusion and clarification without reaching a consensus on the broader implications.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding orthogonality and normalization are not explicitly stated, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects of state transformations and their implications for normalization.

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Hi,

Just a little thing that's been puzzling me:

Consider a state

\mid \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid A \rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid B \rangle

This is normalised since [\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}]^2 + [\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}]^2 = 1

Now let A = B:

\mid \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid A \rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid A \rangle = \frac{2}{\sqrt{2}} \mid A \rangle = {\sqrt{2}} \mid A \rangle

This isn't normalised anymore! What happened?
 
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A and B must be normalized and orthogonal for your normalization to work. A and A is obviously not orthogonal.
 
You implicitly assumed <A|B> = 0 in your first expression.
 
Ah ok.. The reason this came up is that I was looking at latter operators on paired states. So with 2 atoms in a 1,1 state you can get
\mid 2,2 \rangle = \mid 1,1 \rangle\mid 1,1 \rangle
And then you can use ladder operators to go down:
J_-\mid 2,2 \rangle = (J_-\mid 1,1 \rangle)\mid 1,1 \rangle + \mid 1,1 \rangle(J_- \mid 1,1 \rangle) \\<br /> \mid 2,1 \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid 1,0 \rangle\mid 1,1 \rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid 1,1 \rangle \mid 1,0 \rangle<br />
Which is fine, but then the next one:
<br /> \sqrt{6} \mid 2,0 \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \sqrt{2} \mid 1,-1 \rangle\mid 1,1 \rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \sqrt{2} \mid 1,0 \rangle\mid 1,0 \rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \sqrt{2} \mid 1,0 \rangle \mid 1,0 \rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \sqrt{2} \mid 1,0 \rangle \mid 1,-1 \rangle<br />
is actually also fine now I look at it again.. Sorry for wasting your time!
 

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