Normalizability of continuous and discrete spectrum

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The discussion revolves around the normalizability of eigenfunctions associated with hermitian operators in quantum mechanics, specifically contrasting continuous and discrete eigenvalue spectra. Participants explore the implications of these properties within the framework of quantum mechanics and functional analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that continuous eigenvalue spectra lead to non-normalizable eigenfunctions, while discrete spectra allow for proper normalization, as stated in Griffiths' text.
  • One participant emphasizes that the finite dimensional spectral theorem guarantees an orthonormal basis for normal matrices, but this does not extend to infinite dimensional spaces with continuous spectra.
  • Another participant clarifies that a number belongs to the discrete spectrum if there is a normalizable eigenvector associated with it, and that continuous and discrete spectra are generally disjoint.
  • There is a contention regarding the statement that both types of eigenstates span the Hilbert space, with one participant arguing that this is misleading and depends on the nature of the spectrum.
  • One participant asserts that a comprehensive proof regarding the non-normalizability of continuous spectrum eigenvectors requires advanced functional analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of continuous versus discrete spectra, with no consensus reached on the clarity of Griffiths' explanation or the nature of the eigenfunctions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, indicating that a full understanding may depend on advanced concepts in functional analysis and the specific properties of the operators in question.

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I need a proof which says that continuous eigenvalue spectrum of hermitian operators are non-normalizable
I was reading introduction to quantum mechanics by DJ Griffiths and while discussing the formalism of quantum mechanics, he says that if for a hermitian operator, the eigenvalues are continuous, the eigenfunctions are non-normalizable whereas if the eigenvalues are discrete, then they can be properly normalized but still both span the hilbert space. He doesn't really explain why this is so or maybe i missed something. Can anyone please help me see why this is so obvious?
 
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Sunny Singh said:
Summary: I need a proof which says that continuous eigenvalue spectrum of hermitian operators are non-normalizable

I was reading introduction to quantum mechanics by DJ Griffiths and while discussing the formalism of quantum mechanics, he says that if for a hermitian operator, the eigenvalues are continuous, the eigenfunctions are non-normalizable whereas if the eigenvalues are discrete, then they can be properly normalized but still both span the hilbert space. He doesn't really explain why this is so or maybe i missed something. Can anyone please help me see why this is so obvious?

It's not obvious. In linear algebra you have the finite dimensional spectral theorem, which guarantees an orthonormal basis of eigenvectors for any normal matrix (which includes Hermitian ones).

For infnite dimensional spaces, you have the same property for compact, self-adjoint operators.

In QM it's assumed that the Hermitian operators associated with observables have this property.

A continuous spectrum of eigenvalues takes you out of the realm of traditional linear algebra and into the shadowy realm of "rigged Hilbert spaces". In which case the eigenfunctions won't be the usual normalisable functions, but something more exotic.

Again, I would simply take it as a postulate of QM that the eigenfunctions of an operator representing a continuous observable have this property.
 
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I was reading introduction to quantum mechanics by DJ Griffiths and while discussing the formalism of quantum mechanics, he says that if for a hermitian operator, the eigenvalues are continuous, the eigenfunctions are non-normalizable whereas if the eigenvalues are discrete, then they can be properly normalized
By definition, a number ##E## belongs to the discrete spectrum of an operator ##H## if there is a normalizable eigenvector ##\psi## with ##H\psi=E\psi##. The full spectrum is the set of ##E## such that ##E-H## is not invertible. Except in the accidental case where a discrete eigenvalue is embedded in the continuum (which is unstable under perturbations and leads to resonances, in physics responsible for particle decay) the continuous spectrum is disjoint from the discrete spectrum, hence there are no associated normalizable eigenstates.
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but still both span the hilbert space
This is misleading. Given a fixed Hermitian operator, the discrete eigenstates span the full Hilbert space only if the spectrum is discrete only, and the continuum eigenstates span the full Hilbert space only if the spectrum is continuous only. Both these cases occur in the same Hilbert space but for different operators.
 
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Sunny Singh said:
Summary: I need a proof which says that continuous eigenvalue spectrum of hermitian operators are non-normalizable

I was reading introduction to quantum mechanics by DJ Griffiths and while discussing the formalism of quantum mechanics, he says that if for a hermitian operator, the eigenvalues are continuous, the eigenfunctions are non-normalizable whereas if the eigenvalues are discrete, then they can be properly normalized but still both span the hilbert space. He doesn't really explain why this is so or maybe i missed something. Can anyone please help me see why this is so obvious?

There is no "B" level proof that the eigenvectors of an operator with continuous spectrum are not in the Hilbert space. One needs (big chunks of) the full machinery of functional analysis to write a comprehensive proof.
 
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