Continuous eigenstates vs discrete eigenstates

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The discussion centers on the orthogonality of continuous and discrete eigenstates in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding Hamiltonians with both spectra. It is established that discrete eigenstates are orthogonal in the Kronecker sense, while continuous eigenstates are orthogonal in the Dirac sense. The scalar product between a continuous eigenstate and a discrete eigenstate is argued to be zero, as they belong to different mathematical spaces. The conversation also touches on the necessity of including both types of eigenstates when resolving the identity for Hamiltonians with mixed spectra, emphasizing their orthogonality in the appropriate mathematical framework. Overall, the complexities of defining scalar products in this context highlight the nuances of quantum mechanics.
  • #31


giova7_89 said:
I wrote a short .pdf with my calculations [...]

In your eq(4), you haven't allowed for the possibility that perhaps

<br /> \langle n | V | E \rangle ~\ne~ 0 ~.<br />

I.e., you've assumed that the interaction V does not mix the discrete
and continuous subspaces of the total (rigged) Hilbert space. Hence
you get a null result.

Try a simple specific potential (e.g., Morse, as Arnold Neumaier suggested),
which has an exactly solvable discrete and continuous spectrum.
 
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  • #32


This has already been resolved for the OP, I think, but I thought I would give another reference since it always helps to see multiple angles.

Here from Dirac's Principles of Quantum Mechanics page 65, he lays out three specific rules for descrete and continuous eigenvalues.

"Using \xi^r and \xi^s to denote discrete eigenvalues and \xi&#039; and \xi&#039;&#039; to denotes continuous eigenvalues, we have the set of equations

\langle\xi^r|\xi^s\rangle=\delta_{\xi^r\xi^s}

\langle\xi^r|\xi&#039;\rangle=0

\langle\xi&#039;|\xi&#039;&#039;\rangle=\delta(\xi&#039;-\xi&#039;&#039;)

as the generalizations of

\langle\xi&#039;|\xi&#039;&#039;\rangle=\delta_{\xi&#039;\xi&#039;&#039;}

and

\langle\xi&#039;|\xi&#039;&#039;\rangle=\delta(\xi&#039;-\xi&#039;&#039;).

These equations express that the basic vectors are all orthogonal, that those belonging to discrete eigenvalues are normalized and those belonging to continuous eigenvalues have their lengths fixed..."

Hope this helps in some way. :smile:
 
  • #33


Thank you strangerep I realized my mistake! When I used the resolution of the identity on the right and on the left I forgot, as you say, to take into account the "mixing" between discrete and continuous eigenstates. Now my problem is solved!
 
  • #34


A. Neumaier said:
I don't understand. Gamov vectors do not correspond to the real portion of the spectrum, so why should they _not_ be missing?

Depends on your goal. Normally, they don't occur, except for when you search for them specifically. For that, you need to <relax> a little the topology, the Hamiltonian becomes symmetric and that way its spectrum can be complex.
 
  • #35


dextercioby said:
Depends on your goal. Normally, they don't occur, except for when you search for them specifically. For that, you need to <relax> a little the topology, the Hamiltonian becomes symmetric and that way its spectrum can be complex.

But you assumed in
if one is interested in finding only the real portion of the observables' spectra by making a so-called <tight rigging> of the H-space, he could miss the existence of Gamov vectors
that one is interested only in the real portion. Because of this assumption, one _should_ miss the complex spectrum in the deformation!

Unless you also relax your interest...
 

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