Normalization condition for free & spherically symmetric

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of wavefunctions in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on free particles and spherical symmetry. The original poster attempts to establish a general normalization condition for spherical Bessel functions, which are solutions to the free particle problem in three-dimensional space.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integration methods for normalizing wavefunctions, questioning the convergence of integrals involving spherical coordinates. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the normalization integral converging when integrating over ##r^2 dr##.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the normalization of free particle states, suggesting the use of the Dirac delta function for normalization instead of traditional methods. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of using spherical Bessel functions and the necessary adjustments to the normalization conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that free particle states are not normalizable in the traditional sense, which raises questions about the assumptions underlying the normalization process. The original poster is also grappling with the implications of integrating over different variables and the resulting convergence issues.

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Homework Statement



I think, to normalize a wavefunction, we integrate over the solid angle ##r^2 dr d\theta d\phi##. Typically we have ## R(r)Y(\theta, \phi) ## as solutions. If ##Y## is properly normalized, then the normalization condition for ##R(r)## ought to be

$$ \int_0^\infty dr r^2 |R(r)|^2 = 1$$

Homework Equations



Now I am trying to develop a general normalization condition for the spherical Bessel functions, which are solutions to the free particle in free space, but solved using spherical symmetry. For example the 0th solution is

$$ R(r) = \sin (kr)/r $$

where ## k = \sqrt{2mE/\hbar} ##.

Now if I were to normalize with integration over ## r^2 dr ##, the normalization integral will not converge. Google searching has been unhelpful so far, but I've tended to see just integration over ## dr ##. So I'm conceptually unsure why this would be the case.

The Attempt at a Solution



The end goal is to have a general normalization factor for the spherical Bessel functions. If I normalize

$$ \int_0^\infty dr | A R_0(r)|^2 = 1 $$

In this case, ## A = \sqrt{2/\pi k} ##.

In fact I found by just doing the normalization for the first few functions, sqrt(2l+1) works as the additional normalization factor.
But the current sticking point is the integration over dr or r^2 dr.

Thanks.
 
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Free particle states aren't normalizable. You can see this pretty quickly in cartesian coordinates (showing one dimension for simplicity):
<br /> \psi_k(x) = Ne^{i k x}<br />
where k is a quantum number related to energy E = \hbar^2 k^2/2m. Since |\psi(x)|^2 = 1, clearly you can't normalize this state.

Instead, it's conventional to normalize the states as
<br /> \int dx \psi_{k&#039;}^*(x) \psi_{k}(x) = \delta(k - k&#039;)<br />
with the dirac delta function. Then you can show that N = 1/\sqrt{2 \pi}. This normalization is useful because you can then write down general normalizable states as
<br /> \Psi(x) = \int dk A(k) \psi_k(x)<br />
and now the normalization condition on \Psi becomes
<br /> \int dx |\Psi(x)|^2 = \int dk A(k) = 1.<br />
So A(k) is a normalized distribution over which k's contribute to the wave function. So a good choice for normalizing for your spherical problem would be to generalize the delta function normalization above.
 
I guess i have
$$
|A|^2 \int_0^\infty dr r^2 \psi^*_{0,k'}(r)\psi_{0,k}(r) = \delta(k-k')
$$
and ## \psi_0(r) = \sin(kr)/r = \frac{i}{r}( \exp(ikr) - \exp(-ikr))##, and the r^2 will cancel, and then one does the integral...
 
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Looks good. You'll need to use the integral I used above,
<br /> \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dx e^{ikx} = 2 \pi \delta(k),<br />
and be careful with all of the algebra. A few points: you should actually have j_{0}(kr) = \sin(kr)/(kr), and you're missing some factors for the exponential form for \sin.
 

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