How is the Wave Function u(r) = Asin(kr) Normalized?

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of the wave function \( u(r) = A \sin(kr) \) as presented in Griffiths' "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics." Participants are examining the integral required for normalization and the implications of the wave function's behavior in different regions.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integral for normalization and question the convergence of the integral. There is a focus on the radial part of the wave function and its role in the normalization process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the correct form of the wave function to use in the normalization integral. There is an ongoing exploration of how to handle the regions where the wave function is zero, and whether those regions should be included in the normalization process.

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Participants note that the wave function vanishes for \( r > a \), which raises questions about the limits of integration in the normalization process. There is also mention of specific equations from Griffiths that are relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I don't see how the author normalizes ##u(r)=Asin(kr)##. From Griffiths, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics, 2nd edition, page 141-142:

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Homework Equations


##\int_0^{\infty} \int_0^{\pi} \int_0^{2\pi}|A|^2 \sin^2(\frac{n\pi r}{a})r^2 \sin \theta drd\theta d\phi=1##

The Attempt at a Solution


My integral was
##\int_0^{\infty} \int_0^{\pi} \int_0^{2\pi}|A|^2 \sin^2(\frac{n\pi r}{a})r^2 \sin \theta drd\theta d\phi=1##

Mathematica simplifies the integral (without the ##A## for simplicity) to
##=\int_0^{\infty}4\pi r^2 \sin^2(\frac{n\pi r}{a})dr##

but it stops there. I don't think this integral converges. Did I make a mistake somewhere?
 
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As Griffiths himself makes clear - the radial part of the wavefunction is ##R(r) = u(r) /r##, so that is what you should be putting in the integral instead. When he says normalising ##u(r)##, what he really means is finding the coefficient ##A##
 
What is the value of the wavefunction for r > a?

The normalization condition for the radial part of the wavefunction R(r) is given in Griffith's equation [4.31] (not shown in your picture).
 
TSny said:
What is the value of the wavefunction for r > a?

The normalization condition for the radial part of the wavefunction R(r) is given in Griffith's equation [4.31] (not shown in your picture).

The wavefunction is ##0## for ##r>a##.
 
Fightfish said:
As Griffiths himself makes clear - the radial part of the wavefunction is ##R(r) = u(r) /r##, so that is what you should be putting in the integral instead. When he says normalising ##u(r)##, what he really means is finding the coefficient ##A##

Ah I see. Ok then but normalizing according to that equation yields ##\int_0^{\infty} |A|^2 sin^2 (n*\pi *r/a)dr##, which does not converge.
 
Did you take account of the fact that the wavefunction vanishes for r > a?
 
TSny said:
Did you take account of the fact that the wavefunction vanishes for r > a?

But I thought whenever you normalize, you integrate over all space?
 
Yes, you integrate over all space. But you have to use the correct wavefunction for all of space.
 
To put it another way, is there a need to integrate over regions of space where the wavefunction is zero?
 
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TSny said:
Yes, you integrate over all space. But you have to use the correct wavefunction for all of space.

So you mean the integral should technically be ##\int_0^a |A|^2 sin^2 (n\pi r/a)dr + \int_a^{\infty} 0 dr## ??
 
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1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
So you mean the integral should technically be ##\int_0^a |A|^2 sin^2 (n\pi r/a)dr + \int_a^{\infty} 0 dr## ??
Yes.
 
  • #12
TSny said:
Yes.

facepalm.jpgUgh...makes sense. Sorry for being so dense. Thanks!
 

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