Number of moles equation in exhaust gas

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the number of moles of hydrogen in exhaust gas and fuel, particularly focusing on the relationships between moles of water and hydrogen, and the appropriate molar mass to use in calculations involving fuel. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical relationships in chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the equation relating the number of moles of water to the number of moles of hydrogen is given by $$n_{H20 in air}=\frac{n_{H, air}}{2}$$, suggesting that there are two hydrogen atoms in each water molecule.
  • Others question whether the equation should instead be $$2*n_{H, air}$$, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the relationship between moles of water and moles of hydrogen.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding which molar mass to use when calculating the number of moles of hydrogen in fuel, asking whether to use the molar mass of the fuel or that of hydrogen.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on whether the goal is to find the mole fraction of atomic hydrogen in the fuel based on the mass fraction of atomic hydrogen provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct equation relating moles of water and hydrogen, and there is uncertainty regarding the appropriate molar mass to use in calculations involving fuel.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of terms used in the equations and the specific context of the fuel being discussed.

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I've been given information that the exhaust gas contains only water and no HydroCarbons. So,the only hydrogen composition found in the exhaust gas is in the water.

Similarly,the hydrogen in the air coming-in is only found in the water molecules as the incoming air is pure and without any fuel.

My book hence states the equation relating the number of moles of water and number of moles of hydrogen:
∴ $$n_{H20 in air}=\frac{n_{H, air}}{2}$$

Shouldn't it be the reverse i.e 2*n_{H,air}?
 
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marellasunny said:
I've been given information that the exhaust gas contains only water and no HydroCarbons. So,the only hydrogen composition found in the exhaust gas is in the water.

Similarly,the hydrogen in the air coming-in is only found in the water molecules as the incoming air is pure and without any fuel.

My book hence states the equation relating the number of moles of water and number of moles of hydrogen:
∴ $$n_{H20 in air}=\frac{n_{H, air}}{2}$$

Shouldn't it be the reverse i.e 2*n_{H,air}?
There are two hydrogen atoms in each molecule of water, so the number of water molecules is half the number of hydrogen atoms.

Chet
 
Also,I've been given the mass fraction of the hydrogen in the fuel(h). I now want to find the number of moles of hydrogen in the fuel n_{H,fuel}. I'm confused on which molar mass(/molecular weight) to use in the equation:

$$n_{H,fuel}=\frac{mass_{H,fuel}}{M_{fuel/H?}}$$

Must I use the molar mass of the fuel or the molar mass of hydrogen?
 
marellasunny said:
Also,I've been given the mass fraction of the hydrogen in the fuel(h). I now want to find the number of moles of hydrogen in the fuel n_{H,fuel}. I'm confused on which molar mass(/molecular weight) to use in the equation:

$$n_{H,fuel}=\frac{mass_{H,fuel}}{M_{fuel/H?}}$$

Must I use the molar mass of the fuel or the molar mass of hydrogen?
Are you saying you want to find the mole fraction of atomic hydrogen in the fuel, given the mass fraction of atomic hydrogen in the fuel?

Chet
 

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