EGR ratio from exhaust gas composition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the calculation of the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) ratio from exhaust gas composition, specifically in the context of stoichiometric combustion producing CO2, H2O, and N2. Participants explore whether EGR can be determined from given data, including fuel and air mass flow and measured mole ratios of exhaust composition.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that molar ratios do not depend on the EGR ratio, based on their calculations.
  • Another participant agrees with this conclusion, suggesting that the initial equation supports the idea that EGR cannot be determined from the given data.
  • A different participant questions whether EGR can be determined in the presence of excess air, concluding that it cannot, while noting that their alternative formula yields the same result.
  • This participant references a SAE paper that claims a relationship exists between EGR and exhaust gas concentrations, indicating that they found a discrepancy when attempting to replicate the results presented in the paper.
  • Another participant supports the notion that the mole fractions of gases in the exhaust are independent of the recycle ratio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between EGR and exhaust gas composition, with some asserting independence while others suggest a potential connection based on external literature. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the ability to calculate EGR from the available data.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as stoichiometric combustion and the presence of excess air, which may affect the applicability of their conclusions. There is also a reference to a specific equation from the SAE paper that is not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


given:-fuel and air mass flow, measured mole ratios of exhaust composition y_i. Let's assume stoichiometric combustion so we have only CO2, H20 and N2 as products.

Homework Equations


Can EGR ratio be calculated from available data?

The Attempt at a Solution


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I get result that molar ratios don't depend on EGR ratio.
 
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Your first equation already tells you this.
 
I have another question. I there is excess air, can EGR be determined? Folowing the same logic as before, it can't. This time I used a slightly different formula but result is the same.
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I found a SAE paper in which (Fresh Air+EGR)/Fuel ratio is determined by exhaust concentrations. So I think there is connection between EGR and gas concentations in exhaust. This is the paper(you can see in preview of SAE paper what I am referring to, equation (3)): http://papers.sae.org/2010-01-1285/ .I tried to get solution as in paper, but got different result.
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As best I can tell, the mole fractions of the gases in the exhaust are independent of the recycle ratio.
 

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