Number of partitions for a finite set

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The discussion revolves around finding a recursive relation for the number of partitions, denoted as ##P_n##, for a finite set ##S_n## of cardinality ##n##. The original poster states that ##P_0 = 1## is given and seeks to derive a formula for ##P_{n+1}## based on partitions of subsets.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to establish a recursive formula by considering the choice of a non-empty ##k##-block from ##S_{n+1}## and partitions of the remaining elements. However, they express confusion over a perceived error in their formula.
  • Another participant points out potential double counting in the original poster's reasoning and provides examples to illustrate this issue.
  • Subsequent posts suggest a modification to the approach by requiring that the ##k##-blocks contain a specific element, which leads to a revised formula that appears more plausible.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the recursive relationship. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to avoid double counting, and a revised approach has been proposed, though there remains an acknowledgment of the possibility of error in reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of their assumptions about the structure of the partitions and the counting methods used. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to refine the recursive relation while addressing potential pitfalls in the original formulation.

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Homework Statement


Find a recursive relation on the number of partitions ##P_n## for a set ##S_n## of cardinal ##n##. ##P_0 = 1## is given.

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A partition of ##S_{n+1}## is given by the choice of a non-empty ##k##-block ##A_k## of ##S_{n+1}## and a partition of ##S_{n+1} - A_k## which has cardinality ##n+1-k##, for all ##k \in [[ 1...n+1 ]]##. I find :

##P_{n+1} = \sum_{k = 1}^{n+1} {n+1\choose k} P_{n+1-k} = \sum_{k = 1}^{n+1} {n+1\choose n+1-k} P_{n+1-k} = \sum_{s = 0}^{n} {n+1\choose s} P_s ##

But this formula is wrong and I don't understand why. What did I miss ?
 
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##n=4,n+1=5##
##S_{5}=\{1,2,3,4,5\}##
Take your argument for k=2
Non empty 2-block: ##A_2=\{1,2\}##, partition of ##S_{n+1-k} \setminus A_2##: ##\{\{3,4\},\{5\}\}##
Non empty 2-block: ##A_2=\{3,4\}##, partition of ##S_{n+1-k}\setminus A_2##: ##\{\{1,2\},\{5\}\}##
Take your argument for k=1
Non empty 1-block: ##A_1=\{5\}##, partition of ##S_{n+1-k} \setminus A_1##: ##\{\{1,2\},\{3,4\}\}##

So there is some double (or even more) counting going on in your argument.
 
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Thank you Samy, your answer is very clear ! I think that in order to avoid this double counting, I must impose that the ##k##-blocs ##A_k## contain a random element ##x\in S_{n+1}##.
In which case, each ##A_k## is the union of ##x## and of a ##(k-1)##-block of ##S_{n+1}-\{x\}##, so that ##A_k## can be chosen in ##{ n \choose k-1}## ways. Finally,

##P_{n+1} =\sum_{k = 1}^{n+1} { n \choose k-1} P_{n+1-k} =\sum_{k = 1}^{n+1} { n \choose n+1-k} P_{n+1-k} =\sum_{s = 0}^{n} { n \choose s} P_{s}##

Which looks much more plausible. What do you think ?
 
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geoffrey159 said:
Thank you Samy, your answer is very clear ! I think that in order to avoid this double counting, I must impose that the ##k##-blocs ##A_k## contain a random element ##x\in S_{n+1}##.
In which case, each ##A_k## is the union of ##x## and of a ##(k-1)##-block of ##S_{n+1}-\{x\}##, so that ##A_k## can be chosen in ##{ n \choose k-1}## ways. Finally,

##P_{n+1} =\sum_{k = 1}^{n+1} { n \choose k-1} P_{n+1-k} =\sum_{k = 1}^{n+1} { n \choose n+1-k} P_{n+1-k} =\sum_{s = 0}^{n} { n \choose s} P_{s}##

Which looks much more plausible. What do you think ?
Yes, that's exactly the method I used. Of course we could both be wrong (argumentwise), but the recursive relation is most certainly correct.
 
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Thank you very much !
 

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