Number of Solutions for ##\frac{xy}{x+y}=2^3\times 3^4 \times 5^6##

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The discussion revolves around the equation ##\frac{xy}{x+y}=2^3\times 3^4 \times 5^6##, focusing on determining the number of positive integral solutions. Participants explore various aspects of the problem, including potential solution pairs and the implications of symmetry in the solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the implications of having solutions where x and y are equal versus when they are not. There are questions about the nature of the solutions and whether the total count is odd or even. Some participants suggest simplifying the equation and factoring as potential approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the divisor function, and there is a recognition of the complexity involved in the problem. Multiple lines of reasoning are being examined without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note the challenge posed by the large number on the right side of the equation and express confusion over certain symbols and terminology used in the discussion. There is also mention of the limitations of using computational tools for this problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider the equation ##\frac{xy}{x+y}=2^3\times 3^4 \times 5^6## then the number of positive integral solutions of equation are
A)140
B)819
C)72
D)None


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The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly, I am out of ideas on this one. I don't even have a clue about how should I start. -_-

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Hint: if (a,b) with x!=y is a solution for (x,y), what about (b,a)?
What about x=y?

Based on that, is the number of solutions even or odd?
 
mfb said:
Hint: if (a,b) with x!=y is a solution for (x,y), what about (b,a)?
What about x=y?

Based on that, is the number of solutions even or odd?

Are you sure about the factorial sign or is it a typo? -.-'
 
I believe mfb is using a common programming symbol ❲viz., !=❳ that equates to
the mathematician's ≠[/size] sign. :smile:
 
NascentOxygen said:
I believe mfb is using a common programming symbol that equates to the mathematician's ≠[/size] sign. :smile:

Ah yes, now I recognise it, thanks! :smile:

I am confused about mfb's first question. If (a,b) is a solution when x!=y, then (b,a) is surely a solution or am I missing something? :confused:
 
Pranav-Arora said:
I am confused about mfb's first question. If (a,b) is a solution when x!=y, then (b,a) is surely a solution or am I missing something? :confused:
No, no, it sounds as though you do understand what he is saying there.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
I am confused about mfb's first question. If (a,b) is a solution when x!=y, then (b,a) is surely a solution
Yes, that's exactly mfb's point. So are there an odd or even number of such solutions? What about solutions with x=y?

But to me this is a somewhat unsatisfactory way of answering the question. It would be more educational to come up with the number as if it were not multiple choice. The trick is not to be put off by the huge number on the right. If you were given xy/(x+y) = a, how might you simplify that?
 
haruspex said:
Yes, that's exactly mfb's point. So are there an odd or even number of such solutions? What about solutions with x=y?
Equal number of odd and even solutions?

With x=y, there is only one solution.

haruspex said:
But to me this is a somewhat unsatisfactory way of answering the question. It would be more educational to come up with the number as if it were not multiple choice. The trick is not to be put off by the huge number on the right. If you were given xy/(x+y) = a, how might you simplify that?
##xy=xa+ya \Rightarrow xy-xa-ya=0 \Rightarrow xy-xa+a^2-ya=a^2##
##\Rightarrow x(y-a)-a(y-a)=a^2 \Rightarrow (x-a)(y-a)=a^2##

Does this look good?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Equal number of odd and even solutions?

With x=y, there is only one solution.##xy=xa+ya \Rightarrow xy-xa-ya=0 \Rightarrow xy-xa+a^2-ya=a^2##
##\Rightarrow x(y-a)-a(y-a)=a^2 \Rightarrow (x-a)(y-a)=a^2##

Does this look good?

Yes, that's great! The best thing you can do with an integer problem is factor it. Now the next step is to figure out the number of ways to factor (2^3*3^4*5^6)^2, right?
 
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Dick said:
Yes, that's great! The best thing you can do with an integer problem is factor it. Now the next step is to figure out the number of ways to factor (2^3*3^4*5^6)^2, right?

Do I need to use the Divisor function?
 
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  • #12
Dick said:
Great idea!

:smile:

Okay so that gives me a total of (6+1)(8+1)(12+1)=7*9*13=819 solutions.

Thank you everyone! :smile:
 
  • #13
Pranav-Arora said:
Do I need to use the Divisor function?
No, it's much simpler than that. How many possible values are there for u = x-a given that uv = 2638512?
 
  • #14
haruspex said:
No, it's much simpler than that. How many possible values are there for u = x-a given that uv = 2638512?

That IS the divisor function, isn't it?
 
  • #15
Dick said:
That IS the divisor function, isn't it?

Sorry, I was thinking of something else.
 
  • #16
I gave the original equation to wolfram alpha, but it spins its wheels without making progress. I think the task must be exceeding the slice of time it allocates to a freeloader. :smile:
 
  • #17
haruspex said:
But to me this is a somewhat unsatisfactory way of answering the question. It would be more educational to come up with the number as if it were not multiple choice.
Well, it will not work for arbitrary given options, but it is the first solution I found and the "proper" solution takes more time.
 

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