Number of solutions of a nonlinear differential equation.

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The discussion revolves around the number of solutions to nonlinear differential equations (DEs), particularly focusing on the differences between linear and nonlinear cases. Participants explore concepts of independence, general solutions, and the implications of nonlinearity on the existence and characterization of solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that for n-th order homogeneous linear differential equations, there are n linearly independent solutions, while questioning if the same applies to nonlinear equations.
  • Others argue that the concept of "independent solutions" is rooted in linear algebra and does not extend to nonlinear equations.
  • There is a suggestion that the number of solutions to a nonlinear DE can vary widely and is dependent on the specific equation, with possibilities of having 0, 1, 2, or potentially more solutions.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of using linear independence concepts, such as the Wronskian, in the context of nonlinear equations.
  • One participant raises a question about the meaning of a "non-linear combination" of solutions and its relevance to finding general solutions for nonlinear DEs.
  • A practical example is presented involving a third-order nonlinear ODE, where a solution depending on three constants is found, leading to a new inquiry about the certainty of the general solution based on the number of free constants.
  • Another participant mentions the Riccati equation, which has a nonlinear superposition formula, suggesting that there may be exceptions or special cases within nonlinear DEs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of linear independence to nonlinear differential equations, with no consensus reached on the number of solutions or the validity of certain concepts in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the nature of solutions to nonlinear DEs is complex and cannot be determined solely by examining the equation. The discussion highlights the uncertainty surrounding the existence and characterization of solutions in nonlinear cases.

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As far as I know, for an n-th order homogeneous linear differential equation, there are n number of linearly independent solutions and the general solution to the equation is a linear combination of them.
In the case of nth order homogeneous non-linear differential equation can it be shown that there are n number independent solutions? Can anybody tell me where I can find details of this? In case there are n number of independent solutions, I am not sure how to write the general solution. superposition principle will not hold. So what will be be the general solution? The degree of equation is one.
 
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No, it can't. In fact, the whole idea of "independent solutions" or "independence" itself comes from Linear Algebra and only applies to linear equations.
 
So how many solutions would there be to a nonlinear DE?
 
That depends very strongly on the specific non-linear equation!
 
Sorry, I meant to say, for an "nth order non-linear DE".
 
OK, so that means even for a second order nonlinear differential equation there may be 0/1/2 (or may be even more than 2, though not likely) solutions but there is no way to tell that (just by looking at the equation). On the contrary for any given linear 2nd order DE we know there are exactly 2 solutions.
 
We know that every solution can be written as a linear combination of two independent solutions. That's very different from saying "there are exactly 2 solutions".
 
Defennder said:
Sorry, I meant to say, for an "nth order non-linear DE".

Some of those DEs might not even have a "nice" that is closed form solution. You might be interested in reading a few Dynamical System texts as they show how one can look at DEs by examining fixed points and their stability (as well as limit cycles, etc.) It builds quite nicely into Chaos Theory, Check out Strogatz's book for a nice, gentle introduction to the matter.
 
I wasn't referring to the "nice" form of the solution. But can we even tell how many solutions there'll be for a nth order non-linear DE? And why doesn't the concept of linear independence apply here? Couldn't we just use the Wronskian to determine how many of them are linearly independent?
 
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Linear indepence doesn't apply here because the equation is not linear!

Linear indepence is important in dealing with linear equations because of the fact that the set of solutions to a homogeneous nth order differential equation for a vector space of dimension n. That is why any solution to an nth order homogeneous differential equation can be written as a linear combination of n independent solutions: they form a basis for the vector space.
 
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Does a concept of non-linearly combination of solutions makes any sense in trying to find a general solution for a non linear DE?
 
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matematikawan said:
Does a concept of non-linearly combination of solutions makes any sense in trying to find a general solution for a non linear DE?
Doesn't really,as far as I know
.
 
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Ok here is an example of my practise. I have a non-linear ODE of 3rd order (highest derivative is third). I've found a solution that depends on 3 constants which can be chosen at will. Does that mean I've found the most general solution of that ODE ?

Here I changed the original question from 'how many independent solutions of nonlinear ODE' to 'how many free constants there are in the solution of nonlinear ODE'. Can the new question be answered with certainty?
 
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zoki85 said:
Doesn't really,as far as I know
.

I do came across a non-linear DE (Riccati equation) which has a nonlinear superposition formula.
It goes something this.

If y1(x) , y2(x) and y3(x) are any three distict particular solutions of the Riccati equation and c is a constant, then the general solution is

\frac{cy_2(y_3-y_1)-y_1(y_3-y_2)}{c(y_3-y_1)-(y_3-y_2)}

I understand that this come naturally from Lie's Theorem which I don't understand.
 

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