Number of ways to distribute particles

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The discussion revolves around the statistical mechanics of distributing particles in a classical system, particularly focusing on the independence of particle distributions and the implications of spatial constraints. Participants explore the conditions under which the total number of ways to distribute particles can be calculated as a product of individual distributions.

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  • One participant questions the author's assertion that the total number of ways to distribute particles equals the product of individual distributions, citing a specific example with two particles in compartments that can hold only one particle each.
  • Another participant argues that the example provided is not applicable because the distributions are not independent when the boxes can hold only one particle.
  • A request is made for an example that aligns with the author's statement regarding independent distributions.
  • One participant suggests using two distinguishable particles in two boxes that can hold arbitrarily many particles as a valid example.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of "same space" versus "different volumes," with a participant asserting that the distinction may not be significant in this context.
  • A reference is made to a previous discussion regarding the definition of "volume" in the context of particle distribution, suggesting that it can refer to any extent of space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of examples used to illustrate the author's claims. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of independence in particle distributions or the implications of spatial constraints.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the examples provided, particularly concerning the independence of distributions based on the capacity of the compartments. The discussion remains focused on clarifying definitions and conditions rather than reaching a resolution.

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Pathria, Statistical Mechanics

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... classical system composed of noninteracting particles... .Now, if there do not exist any spatial correlations among the particles, that is, if the probability of anyone of them being found in a particular region of the available space is completely independent of the location of the other particles, then the total number of ways in which the ##N## particles can be spatially distributed in the system will be simply equal to the product of the numbers of ways in which the individual particles can be accommodated in the same space independently of one another"

Why is that "the total number of ways in which the ##N## particles can be spatially distributed in the system will be simply equal to the product of the numbers of ways in which the individual particles can be accommodated in the same space independently of one another"

Suppose I've two particles in some volume which has 2 compartments which can hold only one particle.

Now there are only 2 ways to distribute the particles in the box but according to the author the total number of ways to distribute them should be product of the number of ways to distribute each of them independently which gives me ##2*2=4##Can anyone please help me
 
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Your example is not applicable because if the boxes can hold only one particle then the distributions of the particles are not independent.
 
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Orodruin said:
Your example is not applicable because if the boxes can hold only one particle then the distributions of the particles are not independent.
Can you give me an example which correspondens to what author says?
 
Kashmir said:
Can you give me an example which correspondens to what author says?
Two (distinguishable) particles, two boxes, each box can hold arbitrarily many particles.
 
Orodruin said:
Two (distinguishable) particles, two boxes, each box can hold arbitrarily many particles.
The author uses the word " same space" but you've used two different volumes.
Kashmir said:
then the total number of ways in which the N particles can be spatially distributed in the system will be simply equal to the product of the numbers of ways in which the individual particles can be accommodated in the same space
 

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