NYTimes Feature on James "The Amazing" Randi

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The discussion centers around a feature article in the NY Times about James "The Amazing" Randi, focusing on his life, skepticism, and contributions to debunking frauds and hoaxes. Participants reflect on the article's content and Randi's impact, as well as broader themes related to media sensationalism and the nature of journalism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for Randi and his life, noting his unique approach to skepticism and performance.
  • One participant highlights a specific anecdote from the article about Randi's early life and his attempts at creating a shocking prophecy, which ended in frustration.
  • There are discussions about the media's failure to fact-check and the subsequent outrage from the Australian media when a hoax was revealed, with some participants suggesting this reflects a broader issue of sensationalism in journalism.
  • Several participants share concerns about the current state of media, suggesting that it prioritizes entertainment over informative content, with references to reality TV and mainstream news outlets.
  • Some participants express a desire for more figures like Randi in the world, with mentions of other performers who follow in his footsteps, such as Derren Brown.
  • There are comments about the JREF site and hopes for its improvement under Randi's renewed involvement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on their admiration for Randi and the importance of skepticism, but there are multiple competing views regarding the state of journalism and media sensationalism, with no consensus reached on these broader issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the role of media in society and the impact of sensationalism, indicating a lack of consensus on the effectiveness of current journalistic practices.

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Great article. What a life that guy has had.

I was really tickled by a paragraph late in the article:
When he was still a young man appearing in Toronto nightclubs and pretending to predict the future, Randall Zwinge created what he hoped would be his greatest trick. Each night before he went to bed, he wrote the date on the back of a business card along with the words “I, Randall Zwinge, will die today.” Then he signed it and placed it in his wallet. That way, if he were knocked down in the street or killed by a freak accident, whoever went through his effects would discover the most shocking prophecy he ever made. Zwinge kept at it for years. Each night, he tore up one card and wrote out a new one for the next day. But nothing fatal befell him; in the end, having wasted hundreds of business cards, he gave up in frustration. “I never got lucky,” he told me.
 
Nice to read!
By the way, here is the TED talk mentioned in the article:
 
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That's quite an article.
When the hoax was revealed a few days later on “60 Minutes,” the Australian media was enraged at having been taken in; Randi countered that none of the journalists had bothered with even the most elementary fact-checking measures.
So, the media gets enraged because they got caught for failing to do their work - investigative journalism. Well - That's Entertainment!
 
Astronuc said:
That's quite an article.
So, the media gets enraged because they got caught for failing to do their work - investigative journalism. Well - That's Entertainment!
and pretty much to be expected THESE days but it was, I think, less common back then. They really dropped the ball.
 
phinds said:
and pretty much to be expected THESE days but it was, I think, less common back then. They really dropped the ball.
Sometimes I wonder. I strongly dislike sensationalism, and that seems to be what news is about these days, or at least the headline/mainstream media. I want information, not infotainment.
 
Astronuc said:
Sometimes I wonder. I strongly dislike sensationalism, and that seems to be what news is about these days, or at least the headline/mainstream media. I want information, not infotainment.
Sure. So do I. But the networks are not not in business to give us what we want they are in the business of making money so they give out what MOST people want, which is FOX News and The Housewives of New Jersey. This is sound business on their part.
 
phinds said:
Sure. So do I. But the networks are not not in business to give us what we want they are in the business of making money so they give out what MOST people want, which is FOX News and The Housewives of New Jersey. This is sound business on their part.
I think a minority 'want' to watch dysfunctional reality TV. It's probably reality for some folks, but not the majority, or at least I hope that's not the case. I don't care for FOX news, but I wouldn't necessarily put them in the same group as 'Housewives', although I wonder about some of the personalities. Then again, I find some personalities in the broader media landscape are full of themselves to the detriment of the reporting.

Call me a cynic, although I try not be.
 
Astronuc said:
I think a minority 'want' to watch dysfunctional reality TV.
Ratings say otherwise. Networks follow the ratings. Why do you think there are so many "reality" TV shows on the air? Profit makers pander to the majority, not the minority.
 
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Love me some James Randi, we need more people like him!
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Love me some James Randi, we need more people like him!
+1 on that !
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Love me some James Randi, we need more people like him!
There's at least one major one; Derren Brown is certainly following in Houdini and Randi's footsteps as a performer/debunker.
 
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I hope the JREF site improves now that he's once again taking on a more active role. For a couple of years it seemed like just a platform for two bloggers, and even the old archives--the best part--were taken down. Fingers crossed...
 
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Great stuff. I subscribed to the Skeptical Inquirer for many years. :-)
 

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