Ω=0 and its magnitude for a unit pulse

In summary, the conversation was about finding the magnitude of a DC signal in a shifted unit pulse signal using two different methods. Method #1 used the FT formula and produced a magnitude of 6.2832, while Method #2 used Laplace transform and produced a magnitude of 6.5938. The error between the two methods was 0.3106. The mistake in Method #2 was identified and corrected, leading to the correct answer. The conversation ended with a question about simplifying the expression in Method #2 further, without using exponentials.
  • #1
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Hi,

I was trying to find the magnitude of DC signal in a shifted unit pulse signal. The unshifted pulse lasts from -π to π and then it is shifted by π duration.

In Method #1 I have used FT formula and ended up with magnitude of 6.2832 for DC signal, i.e. ω=0.

In Method #2 I have used Laplace transform to derive the FT by setting σ=0 and ended up with magnitude of 6.5938 for the DC signal, i.e. ω=0.

What is contributing toward the error of 6.5938-6.2832=0.3106?

Could you please help me with it? Thank you!

Method #1:
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Finding magnitude of DC signal:
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Method #2:
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Finding magnitude of DC signal:
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I think I was able to trace the problem. Method #1 produces the right answer.

There is a mistake Method #2. I have the step where the mistake occurred but even after fixing it, I couldn't simplify it any further. Could you please help me with it?

Please note that I didn't write lim_ω→0 with every step. Thank you

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  • #3
Yes, you got the right answer in method #1. For method #2 you have,$$
\frac{1}{s}-\frac{e^{2\pi s}}{s}\rightarrow \frac{1}{j\omega}-\frac{e^{2\pi j \omega}}{j\omega} =e^{j\pi \omega}(\frac{e^{-j\pi \omega}-e^{j\pi \omega}}{j\omega})=-e^{j\pi \omega}\frac{2\sin(\pi \omega)}{\omega}$$Taking the absolute value, you recover the answer from method #1
 
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  • #4
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Yes, you got the right answer in method #1. For method #2 you have,$$
\frac{1}{s}-\frac{e^{2\pi s}}{s}\rightarrow \frac{1}{j\omega}-\frac{e^{2\pi j \omega}}{j\omega} =e^{j\pi \omega}(\frac{e^{-j\pi \omega}-e^{j\pi \omega}}{j\omega})=-e^{j\pi \omega}\frac{2\sin(\pi \omega)}{\omega}$$Taking the absolute value, you recover the answer from method #1

Thank you!

But I was purposely trying to avoid exponentials. Is there any way to simplify the trigonometric expression in Method #2 further?
 
  • #5
Hi,

I was able to fix Method #2 and got the correct answer.

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