Octahedron Problem: How Many Color Patterns?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the number of distinct color patterns for the faces of an octahedron, where each face can be painted either white or black. Participants explore various configurations and the impact of symmetry on the counting of these patterns.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that there are five distinct color patterns for a tetrahedron and questions how many patterns exist for an octahedron.
  • Another participant proposes a formula involving factorials and symmetry but does not provide a clear explanation of its derivation.
  • A participant lists various configurations for the octahedron, detailing the number of patterns for different combinations of white and black faces, ultimately arriving at a total of 23 patterns.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the count, particularly regarding the configuration of three white faces and the potential for overlooked mirror images.
  • Clarification is sought on the phrasing used to describe certain configurations, indicating a need for precise language in mathematical discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the total number of distinct patterns, with some agreeing on certain configurations while others challenge the counts and the reasoning behind them. No consensus is reached regarding the final number of patterns or the correctness of the proposed configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the role of symmetry in determining distinct patterns, but the discussion includes various assumptions and potential oversights regarding configurations and mirror images.

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Individuals interested in combinatorial problems, symmetry in geometry, and those looking to engage in mathematical reasoning and pattern recognition may find this discussion valuable.

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If each side of a tetrahedron is an equilateral triangle painted white or black, five distinct color patterns are possible: all sides white, all black, just one side white and the rest black, just one side black and the rest white, and two sides white while the other two are black. If each side of an octahedron is an equilateral triangle painted white or black, how many distinct patterns are possible?

I was able to come up with a good answer but I'm not sure if its right or not.
 
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3!.3!.28/26 I think...

The symmetry is the catch here...
 
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Hi reese92tsi! Welcome to PF! :smile:
reese92tsi said:
I was able to come up with a good answer but I'm not sure if its right or not.

Show us (with your reasoning, of course)! :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi reese92tsi! Welcome to PF! :smile:


Show us (with your reasoning, of course)! :wink:
Thanks for the warm welcome

all sides black: 1 pattern
all white: 1

7 white 1 black: 1
7 black 1 white: 1

6 white 2 black: 3
6 black 2 white: 3
-2 white faces adjacent at an edge
-2 white faces adjacent at a vertex
-2 white faces neither adjacent at an edge or vertex

5 white 3 black: 3
5 black 3 white: 3
-3 white faces adjacent at edges
-3 white faces adjacent at only vertices
-2 white faces adjacent at an edge and 1 white face
adjacent at either vertex of the set of the 2 edge adjacent white faces

4 black 4 white: 7
-4 white faces sharing a common vertex
-3 white faces sharing a common vertex and 1 white face
adjacent at only the vertex of the rightmost and leftmost
white face of the 3
-3 white faces sharing a common vertex and 1 white face
adjacent to only the edge of the right most face of the 3
-The mirror to the pattern above
-3 white faces sharing a common vertex and 1 white face adjacent to
only the edge of the center white face of the 3
-4 white faces adjacent only at vertices
-2 sets of 2 white faces which are adjacent at an edge
touching each other at only 2 vertices

So I've got 23 patterns
 
reese92tsi said:
5 white 3 black: 3
5 black 3 white: 3
-3 white faces adjacent at edges
-3 white faces adjacent at only vertices
-2 white faces adjacent at an edge and 1 white face
adjacent at either vertex of the set of the 2 edge adjacent white faces

Hi reese92tsi! :smile:

0 1 2 and 4 white look good, but I'm not convinced about 3 …

what does 3 white faces adjacent at edges mean?

and have you checked that there are no mirror images left out?
 
I'm sorry about the phrasing. "3 white faces sharing a common vertex" is probably a better way of phrasing it.

Going over the patterns in my head it looks like I've found them all (still not positive).

chaoseverlasting said:
3!.3!.28/26 I think...

The symmetry is the catch here...

Can you explain this formula in further detail, I'm not really a math buff (would love to become one). I think puzzles/logic problems are a lot of fun.
 

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