On injectivity of two-sided Laplace transform

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The discussion revolves around the injectivity of the two-sided Laplace transform, particularly in the context of probability density functions and moment generating functions. Participants explore various proofs and theorems related to this topic, including the Stone-Weierstrass theorem and Curtiss' theorem, while seeking clarification on specific aspects of these proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the set of functions ##H## defined by ##\psi_\lambda(x)=e^{-\lambda x}## and its extension to ##[0,\infty]##, suggesting the application of the Stone-Weierstrass theorem to show density in ##C([0,\infty])##.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about how to modify the set ##H## to apply the Stone-Weierstrass theorem for the two-sided Laplace transform on ##[-\infty,\infty]##.
  • Several participants inquire about the specific theorem referred to by Chareka in relation to Curtiss' theorem, indicating a lack of clarity on which theorem is being discussed.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the convergence of moment generating functions and how it relates to the conclusion that $$L_{u^\ast}(s')=L_{v^\ast}(s')\implies u^\ast=v^\ast$$, with participants expressing confusion over this reasoning.
  • One participant mentions the equation $$ M(s)=E(e^{sX})=E(e^{-(-s)X})=B(-s) $$ in the context of the bilateral Laplace transform, suggesting it may be relevant to the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty and seek clarification on specific aspects of the proofs and theorems discussed. There is no consensus on the implications of the theorems or the specific theorem referred to by Chareka.

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Participants note the complexity of the arguments and the need for further clarification on the connections between the moment generating functions and the injectivity of the Laplace transform.

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I am studying a theorem in probability that the Laplace transform of a (nonnegative) random variable determines the law of that random variable, which is equivalent to its injectivity. The book only treats Laplace transforms of nonnegative random variables, but since the moment generating function (mgf) is in fact the two sided Laplace transform, and since mgfs exist for arbitrary sign random variables, I wonder how to extend the result to say the two-sided Laplace transform is also injective.
I will omit the theorem and its proof here, since it would mean a lot of typing. But the relevant part of the proof of the theorem is that we are considering the set ##H## of functions consisting of ##\psi_\lambda(x)=e^{-\lambda x}## for ##x\geq 0## and ##\lambda\geq 0##. We extend the functions by continuity so they are defined on all of ##[0,\infty]##, namely we put ##\psi_\lambda(\infty)=0## if ##\lambda>0## and ##\psi_0(\infty)=1##. Having a compact set ##[0,\infty]##, we can apply the Stone-Weierstrass theorem to say that ##H## is dense in ##C([0,\infty])##.

I have seen another proof of the injectivity of the Laplace transform (not related to probability), but that also uses the Stone-Weierstrass theorem. So how would one go about showing the two-sided Laplace transform is injective? I guess one would like to consider ##[-\infty,\infty]## and apply the Stone-Weierstrass theorem also, but I'm unsure how one would modify ##H##.
 
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Thank you. This was helpful. In proving the main theorem, Theorem 2.2, they rely on "Curtiss' theorem". I have looked at Curtiss paper but I am unsure which theorem Chareka means. Do you know which theorem Chareka is referring to?
 
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Thank you. This was helpful. In proving the main theorem, Theorem 2.2, they rely on "Curtiss' theorem". I have looked at Curtiss paper but I am unsure which theorem Chareka means. Do you know which theorem Chareka is referring to?
If ## \{M_n(t)\} ## is a sequence of moment generating functions corresponding to a sequence of distribution functions ## \{F_n(x)\} ##, then convergence of ## \{M_n(t)\} ## to a moment generating function ## M(t) ## on ## (-\delta,\delta) ## implies that ## \{F_n(x)\} ## converges weakly to ## F(x) ##, where ## F(x) ## is the distribution function with moment generating function ## M(t) ##.
 
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If ## \{M_n(t)\} ## is a sequence of moment generating functions corresponding to a sequence of distribution functions ## \{F_n(x)\} ##, then convergence of ## \{M_n(t)\} ## to a moment generating function ## M(t) ## on ## (-\delta,\delta) ## implies that ## \{F_n(x)\} ## converges weakly to ## F(x) ##, where ## F(x) ## is the distribution function with moment generating function ## M(t) ##.
Ok, but how does it follow from this that $$L_{u^\ast}(s')=L_{v^\ast}(s')\implies u^\ast=v^\ast,$$where ##u^\ast,v^\ast## are probability density functions (and ##L_u## the bilateral Laplace transform of ##u##)? This is what Chareka concludes in Theorem 2.2 due to Curtiss theorem. This is the part I have a hard time understanding.
 
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Ok, but how does it follow from this that $$L_{u^\ast}(s')=L_{v^\ast}(s')\implies u^\ast=v^\ast,$$where ##u^\ast,v^\ast## are probability density functions (and ##L_u## the bilateral Laplace transform of ##u##)? This is what Chareka concludes in Theorem 2.2 due to Curtiss theorem. This is the part I have a hard time understanding.
I do not know because I have not seen it.
Probably they used the equation $$ M(s)=E(e^{sX})=E(e^{-(-s)X})=B(-s) $$ where ## B(s) ## is a bilateral Laplace transform.
 
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