On tempered distributions and wavefunctions

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of wavefunctions in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to tempered distributions and Rigged Hilbert spaces. Participants explore the implications of using non-square integrable states, such as exponentially growing states and singular solutions, in the context of physical states and bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that standard quantum mechanics (QM) texts reject certain states, like exponentially growing ones, for not being in L² space, while others point out that scattered states also fall outside L² spaces.
  • There is a proposal that Rigged Hilbert spaces can address the dichotomy between these states and allow for the inclusion of tempered distributions.
  • One participant questions how to determine which states are physical, especially when considering singular solutions in central potentials, which are also considered tempered solutions.
  • Another participant asserts that states at fixed time must be square integrable, but the wave functions used for analysis do not necessarily need to be.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that the basis in Rigged Hilbert spaces allows for the inclusion of non-physical states, such as Dirac kets, which are used for analysis but do not represent physical states of a system.
  • A participant asks for clarification on why singular solutions are not used as a basis for the radial wavefunction of the hydrogen atom, despite being elements of the Rigged Hilbert space.
  • It is suggested that while any basis can be used, experience indicates that well-chosen bases lead to more manageable formulas, with continuous bases being preferred for scattering problems and discrete bases for bound state problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physicality of certain states and the appropriateness of using singular solutions as bases. There is no consensus on the criteria for determining which states are considered physical or the implications of using Rigged Hilbert spaces.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the understanding of which states can be considered physical and the criteria for selecting bases, indicating a dependence on definitions and unresolved reasoning regarding the use of singular solutions.

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Very often in standard QM books, certain states, like exponentially growing ones are rejected on the basis that they are not in L^2 space.
On the other hand, scattered states are also not in L^2 spaces. This dichotomy can be repelled by using Rigged Hilbert spaces, and allowing tempered distributions.
On the other hand, in the case of central potentials, one cannot just throw away singular solutions, as they too are tempered solutions, as far as I know.

How then, do we have to decide which states are physical, even as a basis?
 
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States at fixed time must be square integrable. Wave functions needed to analyze these need not.
 
I know that, that is the whole idea behind allowing basis to be in the rigged Hilbert-space, is it not?
 
dumpling said:
I know that, that is the whole idea behind allowing basis to be in the rigged Hilbert-space, is it not?
I don't understand what you are asking. The Dirac kets ##|x\rangle## or ##|p\rangle## don't form a basis but belong to the rigged Hilbert space and are used to describe states. They are physical in the sense that they are used by physicists for the analysis of quantum situations but not in the sense that they can be states of some physical system.
 
What is the exact reasoning, that for example in the case of the radial wavefunction of hydrogen atom, we do not use singular solutions as basis, when some of those would be elements of the rigged hilbert-space?
 
In general one can use any basis but experience shows that well chosen ones lead to more tractable formulas. So one chooses according to what one knows from similar cases.

Typically, continuous ':bases' ' are most useful for scattering problems while discrete bases are more useful for bound state problems.
 
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