Can Bound States Leak and How Do Scattering States Behave?

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This discussion revolves around the concepts of bound states and scattering states in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of potential wells and wave functions. Participants explore the behavior of particles in these states, including the notion of "leaking" from bound states and the characteristics of scattering states. The conversation also touches on specific potentials, such as delta-function potentials, and the implications of even potentials on wave function solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that bound states can experience "leaking" into classically forbidden zones, particularly in finite potentials, but this is limited to the vicinity of the potential well.
  • Others argue that scattering states can exist in classically forbidden zones and are characterized as traveling waves, not confined by any potential well.
  • There is a discussion about the delta-function potential, with questions raised about the probability of finding a particle outside the delta-function well and its analogy to an infinite square well.
  • Participants inquire whether the delta-function potential is considered even or odd, noting conflicting opinions found online.
  • Some participants seek clarification on whether the actual wave function for an even potential is a sum of even and odd solutions, with a response indicating that these solutions are separate eigenfunctions.
  • There is a question regarding the relationship between scattering states and wave-packet equations for free particles, as well as how to determine if momentum is "almost definite" based on the spread of the Fourier transform in the wave-packet equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of bound and scattering states, particularly regarding the concept of leaking and the characteristics of wave functions. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, including the nature of the delta-function potential and the treatment of even and odd solutions.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of bound and scattering states, the specific characteristics of potentials discussed, and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical interpretations.

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Hi all, I'd like some assistance regarding some issues I have understanding such states. (Referencing Griffiths' QM)

1) Meaning of Bound and Scattering States.

The bound states I have studied thus far are limited to the infinite square well and the quantum harmonic oscillator. In the case of a harmonic oscillator, a particle is able to "leak" out of its potential well.

a) Would I be right in saying that even bound states can experience this "leaking" into classically forbidden zones (finite potentials only), but is limited to the vicinity of its "well"?

b) On the other hand, is it right to say that a scattering state can not only be found in classically forbidden zones, but is itself a also traveling wave (unlike the bound state)? I.e it is not bound by any sort of "well" and is free to move about

2) Delta-function potential.

If we were to work out the (bound-state) wave-function for a potential ##-\alpha \delta (x)##, this would yield a wave-function peaked at x = 0. However, there is a non-zero probability that we can find said particle outside the delta-function well.

a) Is this infinitely deep well not analogous to an infinite square well, except that its depth is from 0 to ##-\infty## rather than 0 to ##\infty##? Why would we still expect that the particle can be found outside of the vicinity of x = 0?

b) Is the Delta-function potential considered to be an even, or odd function? Scouring the internet seems to bring up conflicting opinions.

3) Even potentials and their solutions.

a) It was stated in the book that an even potential gives rise to either even or odd solutions to the Schrödinger equation. Say I obtain the even and odd solutions separately, in some domain of x. Do I then sum the even and odd solutions in their respective domains to get the actual wavefunction? I.e is the actual wavefunction for an even potential a sum of even and odd solutions?

Thanks very much in advance!

PS: Would it be possible to discuss these in a not-so-technical manner for now?
 
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WWCY said:
a) Would I be right in saying that even bound states can experience this "leaking" into classically forbidden zones (finite potentials only), but is limited to the vicinity of its "well"?
Yes, unless the well is of infinite height. However, even for infinitely growing potential like harmonic oscillator potential, the eigenfunctions have nonzero portion in the forbidden region.

WWCY said:
b) On the other hand, is it right to say that a scattering state can not only be found in classically forbidden zones, but is itself a also traveling wave (unlike the bound state)? I.e it is not bound by any sort of "well" and is free to move about
For scattering state, the classically forbidden region is not applicable since the energy of such state must always be more positive than the potential anywhere. Generally speaking, scattering state is an energy eigenfunction in the continuum spectrum and has nonzero probability current, i.e. it's traveling. This type of eigenfunction is an approximate eigenfunction of momentum, i.e. it has an almost definite momentum. But sometimes the term scattering state is also used to refer to an energy eigenfunction in the continuum but has its probability current vanishing. Usually in this case, the eigenfunction is also an eigenfunction of total angular momentum. On the other hand, its momentum distribution has a large uncertainty.

WWCY said:
a) It was stated in the book that an even potential gives rise to either even or odd solutions to the Schrödinger equation. Say I obtain the even and odd solutions separately, in some domain of x. Do I then sum the even and odd solutions in their respective domains to get the actual wavefunction? I.e is the actual wavefunction for an even potential a sum of even and odd solutions?
No, the even and odd solutions are the eigenfunctions of an even potential separately. A wavefunction formed by a sum of even and odd solutions is no longer an energy eigenfunction since it does not have a definite parity/even(odd)ness.
 
Hi, thanks for the response!

blue_leaf77 said:
For scattering state, the classically forbidden region is not applicable since the energy of such state must always be more positive than the potential anywhere. Generally speaking, scattering state is an energy eigenfunction in the continuum spectrum and has nonzero probability current, i.e. it's traveling. This type of eigenfunction is an approximate eigenfunction of momentum, i.e. it has an almost definite momentum.

Is this in reference to the wave-packet equation for the free particle? Also, how do we tell if momentum is almost definite? The text seems to suggest that the certainty with which we can know a particle's momentum is determined by the spread of ##k## in the Fourier transform term in the wave-packet equation.
 
WWCY said:
Is this in reference to the wave-packet equation for the free particle?
No, it applies to general (real) potential.

WWCY said:
Also, how do we tell if momentum is almost definite? The text seems to suggest that the certainty with which we can know a particle's momentum is determined by the spread of kk in the Fourier transform term in the wave-packet equation.
Yes, as your text suggests, a state with almost definite momentum has a narrow width of the Fourier transform of the wavefunction in position space.
 

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