Open Relative to X: Proving T is Open

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The discussion revolves around the concept of open sets in the context of topology, specifically focusing on the conditions under which a set T is considered open relative to another set X. The original poster presents a statement regarding the definition of T being open relative to X and attempts to explore the implications of this definition.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to classify the problem based on whether X is closed, open, or neither, and discusses the steps involved in proving the forward direction of the statement. They express uncertainty about determining the correct delta and beta values needed for their proof. Other participants suggest that the classification of X may not be necessary and provide insights into the implications of U being open.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering hints and clarifications. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between open sets and the conditions for T being open relative to X. There is an exploration of both the forward and reverse directions of the proof, with participants sharing their reasoning and seeking further clarification.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of open sets in relation to the problem statement, with some uncertainty about the implications of the set X being open, closed, or neither. The original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration.

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Homework Statement


T is open relative to X iff for any p \in S there exists \delta > 0 such that B(p,\delta )\capX is \subset T


Homework Equations


T is open relative to X provided there exists an open subset U of R^n such that T = U\capX


The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so, going the forward ("if") direction, I think I'm able to classify this problem into one of three major subsets: X is closed, open, or neither. So, dealing with X being closed, I so far have:

1. Pick p in T
2. By hypothesis, produce U, an open subset of R^n s.t. T = U\capX
3. For all points qn in U, let tau= min{|qn - p|}
4.
...
I believe that the final step will involve producing a delta ball within T, but I dn't know how to go about finding the correct delta. As well, if what I have so far is correct, then I think i'll have to end up letting delta be the minimum of tau and some other variable that I'll call beta for right now; so, how do I find the right beta?

Does anyone have any ideas for the reverse ("only if") direction?

Thanks guys!
 
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I don't see why you would need to think about whether X is open or closed or neither.

If there exist an open subset U of R^n such that T = U\cap X, then, since U is open, there exist a ball B(p,\delta)\subset U and so B(p, \delta)\cap X is a subset of T. That's it.
 
Conceptually, yes, I see what you are talking about. Can you give me another hint to push me along the path of proving it?

Thanks for your help thus far
 
Haha, well, during the five minutes after I wanted to ask you to give me a hint, I think i pretty much got it figured out...

Forward direction: S is open relative to D if for any point p in S there exists delta >0 s.t. B(p,delta) intersect D is a subset of S

1. Since S is open relative to D, produce U, a subset of R^n, s.t. S = U intersect D
2. B/c U is open, for any point p in U, we can produce delta >0 s.t. B(p,delta) is a subset of U.
3. Pick a point p in U intersect D
4. Then, B(p,delta) is a subset of U intersect D, which is S

Let me know if I forgot any details!
 

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