Operator Rotation: Expressing in New Reference Frame

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of operator matrices when changing reference frames through rotations. Participants explore the mathematical expressions and relationships between operators in different frames, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and spin operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the transformation of an operator under rotation can be expressed as \(\hat{O} = U \hat{O} U^{\dag}\), where \(U\) is the rotation operator.
  • Another participant elaborates on the transformation of a state under rotation, indicating that \(O|\psi\rangle\) transforms as \(D(R)O|\psi\rangle\) and suggests a specific form for the operator transformation.
  • A participant suggests that the spin-x operator can be derived from the spin-z operator using the relation \(\hat{S}_x = \mathcal{D}_y(\pi/2) \hat{S}_z \mathcal{D}_y(-\pi/2)\), indicating a method for obtaining operators through rotation.
  • Another reply confirms the correctness of the transformation for spin-\(\frac{1}{2}\) operators, referencing the Pauli matrix identity and suggesting that a group theoretical approach may be more appropriate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the transformation methods for operators, but there are variations in the approaches and interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants explore different perspectives and methods.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the definitions of the rotation operators and the specific forms of the operators being discussed. The relationship between different spin operators and the implications of using group theory are also noted but not fully resolved.

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Suppose we know the matrix elements of an operator with respect a given cartesian reference frame [itex]L[/itex]. If we know the sequence of rotations going from [itex]L[/itex] to some other reference frame [itex]L'[/itex], what is the expression for the operator in the new reference frame.

Let [itex]R[/itex] be the required rotation and [itex]\mathcal{D}(R)[/itex] the corresponding rotation operator. We know that the state of the systems changes under active rotation by multiplication [itex]| \psi \rangle \mapsto \mathcal{D}(R) |\psi\rangle[/itex]. In our case we're rotating the environment so the basis states which make up the operator should transform according to [itex]|\phi_i \rangle \mapsto U|\phi_i\rangle[/itex].

Therefore

[itex]\hat{O} = \sum_{ij} o_{ij} | \phi_i \rangle\langle \phi_j | \mapsto \sum_{ij} o_{ij} U| \phi_i \rangle \langle \phi_j |U^{\dag} = U \hat{O} U^{\dag}[/itex].

Am I understanding this correctly?
 
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[tex]|\psi\rangle \longrightarrow D(R)|\psi\rangle[/tex]
[tex]O|\psi\rangle\longrightarrow D(R)O|\psi\rangle=D(R)OD^{-1}(R)D(R)|\psi\rangle[/tex]
 
So I gather what I said is correct, in other words I could obtain the spin-x operator from the spin-z operator in the following fashion:

[itex]\hat{S}_x = \mathcal{D}_y(\pi/2) \hat{S}_z \mathcal{D}_y(-\pi/2)[/itex] e.g.??
 
jdstokes said:
So I gather what I said is correct, in other words I could obtain the spin-x operator from the spin-z operator in the following fashion:

[itex]\hat{S}_x = \mathcal{D}_y(\pi/2) \hat{S}_z \mathcal{D}_y(-\pi/2)[/itex] e.g.??

Yes, and this is also easily checked explicitly for spin [tex]\tfrac{1}{2}[/tex] because of the Pauli matrix identity [tex]e^{i \theta \hat{n} \cdot \vec{\sigma} } = ...[/tex]. But a more group theoretical treatment is probably best.
 

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