Operators Commutation: Explaining P(x), L(y)

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The discussion revolves around the commutation relation between the momentum operator P(x) and the angular momentum operator L(y). Participants explore the derivation of the expression [P(x), L(y)] = i h(cut) P(z), addressing specific steps and general formulas related to operator commutation in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the derivation of the commutation relation involving P(x) and L(y).
  • Another participant notes that P(x) and P(y) commute according to Born-Jordan commutation relations, suggesting that this leads to a zero term in the commutator when applying the general formula.
  • A question is raised about the origin of the general formula for commutation, prompting a clarification on its structure.
  • Participants discuss the standard commutation relation [x, px] = ih/2π, with one suggesting that writing the commutator explicitly can clarify the derivation of the underlined term.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the formula presented and encourages working through the commutator step-by-step, including the addition of zero in a clever manner.
  • A final participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received and indicates they have arrived at the answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion shows some agreement on the commutation relations and the general approach to deriving the result, but it also includes questions and clarifications that indicate uncertainty about specific steps in the derivation.

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Participants reference specific commutation relations and formulas, but there are unresolved details regarding the derivation steps and the application of the general formula, which may depend on the definitions and context of the operators involved.

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Can someone please explain to me how do we get the following:

[P(x), L(y)]= i h(cut) P(z)

P(x) is the momentum operator with respect to x
and L(y) is the angular momentum operator with respect to y.

I have also attached the solution. I am stuck at the underlined part. I do not know how to proceed from there.
 

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Px and Py commute, as per Born-Jordan commutation relations. Thus the term from with their commutator is 0 when you apply the general formula

[A, BC] = [A,B]C+B[A,C] with [A,B] =0
 
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How did you obtain the general formula that you have stated in your reply?
 
it should be as follows:
[a,bc]=[a,b]c+b[a,c]
 
[x,px]=ih/2∏ is the usual commutation rule,if that is what you are asking.
EDIT:if you want to know how to get that underlined term then just write the commutator explicitly and see that pz commutes with px.
 
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You got it right in post #4. Just work it out staring from [itex][A, BC][/itex] and write out the commutator, then in the middle add zero in a fancy way.
 
Yes, I got the answer. Thank you all for your help =)
 

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