Optics from a Quantum Mechanical stand point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding the quantum mechanical perspective of light behavior during refraction and reflection. Participants explore the interactions between light and atoms in various media, particularly focusing on the underlying concepts rather than just the principles and formulas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the quantum-level interactions of light with atoms during refraction and reflection, seeking deeper conceptual insights.
  • Another participant suggests that photons can be thought of as waves interacting with phonons, proposing that lower energy photons are repelled by phonons, while higher energy photons may pass through with refraction due to wave interference.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of electronic excitations over phonons in visual optics, describing atoms as electric dipoles that oscillate in response to the incident wave, creating a refracted wave through their interaction.
  • Several participants share links to course materials that may provide additional context, although some links are reported as broken or in different languages, leading to further discussion about accessibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of phonons versus electronic excitations in the context of light interaction with matter. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed models or the specific mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of light and matter interactions, and the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding of field theory and quantum mechanics.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in the quantum mechanics of optics, particularly those exploring the interactions of light with materials at a fundamental level, may find this discussion beneficial.

SquidgyGuff
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I've tried looking this up online, but people only ever talk about the basic principles and formulas involved instead of the concepts behind it. My question is this: "What is happening at a quantum level when light is refracted or reflected?" How does the light interact with the atoms of medium "x" (as it moves between media of differing refractive indicies) that causes it to behave in such a way. I appreciate your insight in advanced!
 
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So I need to think of the photons as waves interacting with waves (phonons)? Here's where I'm at:

Photons interact with matter (in this case) as a wave.
The matter has a collective excited state known as a phonon that also behaves as a wave.
Lower energy photons are repelled by the phonons (somehow?).
Like energy photons are absorbed like canceling waveforms.
Higher engery photons pass through the material, but are refracted through a kind of wave interference.

How wrong am I?
 
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I like the following description of it: Hagan course notes

It's from a course, and chapter 1 has a fairly intuitive walk-through of the origins of the refractive index which I think you'll find useful.
 
SquidgyGuff said:
So I need to think of the photons as waves interacting with waves (phonons)?

Phonons are more important in the infrared region. In visual optics, electronic excitations are much more important.
It is often helpful to think of the atoms or molecules making up a solid as little electric dipoles. These will experience the electric field of the incident wave and will start to oscillate, thereby producing a changing electromagnetic field themselves. This scattered field overlaps with the incident field and gives rise to the refracted wave.
 
Zarqon said:
I like the following description of it: Hagan course notes
Umm, that's a broken link, and in Swedish ha ha! X)
 
SquidgyGuff said:
Umm, that's a broken link, and in Swedish ha ha! X)

That's strange, the link works for me (even now clicking it from your quoted post). Maybe try http://www.osti.gov/eprints/topicpages/documents/record/227/4250003.html instead, which is to the course page. The first link on that page should be to the pdf that I tried to link before.
 
Zarqon said:
Maybe try http://www.osti.gov/eprints/topicpages/documents/record/227/4250003.html instead, which is to the course page.
Okay, that one worked, thanks :)
I suppose I should brush up on my nonexistent knowledge of field theory then
 

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