Optimization of the sum of the surfaces of a sphere and cube

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The discussion revolves around optimizing the sum of the surfaces of a sphere and a cube under the condition that their combined surface area is constant. Participants explore the relationships between the dimensions of the sphere and cube, particularly focusing on cases where the sum of their volumes is minimized or maximized.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving the optimization of the diameter of a sphere relative to the edge of a cube, under conditions of minimal and maximal volume.
  • Another participant provides equations for the surface areas and volumes of both shapes, suggesting a method to derive the relationship between the dimensions.
  • There is mention of substituting variables to express volume in terms of the sphere's radius and the constant surface area.
  • Some participants express confusion over the results, particularly regarding the derived values for the diameter and edge length, questioning the correctness of their calculations or the source material.
  • One participant shares their derived equations and results, indicating a specific value for the diameter and expressing uncertainty about the expected outcomes.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of their calculations or the interpretations of the results, with some expressing doubts about the accuracy of their work or the reference material.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the relationships between the dimensions of the sphere and cube, as well as the conditions for minimal and maximal volumes.

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If the sum of the surfaces of a cube and a sphere as is constant, deierminar the minion of the diameter of the sphere to the edge of the cube in cases in which:
272) The sum of the volumes is minimal
273) The sum of the volumes is maximum
And the answer are 272 = 1 and 273 = infinit

Ok
Vs = 4pir3/3 and Vc = l3
since diameter = R/2
V= 4piL/83/3
THen
V= PiL3/6
I sum and Got V= PiL3/6 +L3

surfaces
cube = L2 and Sphere Pi(L/2)2

When derive I got 0 and i can not get the answers
 
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Re: Max and min 5

Hello, leprofece!

If the sum of the surfaces of a cube and a sphere is constant,
determine the minion of the diameter of the sphere
to the edge of the cube
in cases in which:

(272) The sum of the volumes is minimal

(273) The sum of the volumes is maximum

And the answer are: (272) 1 and (273) infinity.
What does this mean?
\begin{array}{c|c|c|} & \text{Area} & \text{Volume} \\ \hline \text{Sphere} & 4\pi r^2 & \tfrac{4}{3}\pi r^3 \\ \hline \text{Cube} & 6x^2 & x^3 \\ \hline\end{array}

We have: .4\pi r^2 + 6x^2 \:=\:S\;\;[1]

. . . and: .V \;=\;\tfrac{4}{3}\pi r^3 + x^3 \;\;[2]From [1]: .x \;=\;\sqrt{\frac{S-4\pi r^2}{6}}

Substitute into [2]: .V \;=\;\tfrac{4}{3}\pi r^3 + \left(\frac{S-4\pi r^2}{6}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}

You know the rest, don't you?

Set V' = 0 and solve for r.
Then d = 2r.
Then solve for x.
 
Re: Max and min 5

soroban said:
Hello, leprofece!


\begin{array}{c|c|c|} & \text{Area} & \text{Volume} \\ \hline \text{Sphere} & 4\pi r^2 & \tfrac{4}{3}\pi r^3 \\ \hline \text{Cube} & 6x^2 & x^3 \\ \hline\end{array}

We have: .4\pi r^2 + 6x^2 \:=\:S\;\;[1]

. . . and: .V \;=\;\tfrac{4}{3}\pi r^3 + x^3 \;\;[2]From [1]: .x \;=\;\sqrt{\frac{S-4\pi r^2}{6}}

Substitute into [2]: .V \;=\;\tfrac{4}{3}\pi r^3 + \left(\frac{S-4\pi r^2}{6}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}

You know the rest, don't you?

Set V' = 0 and solve for r.
Then d = 2r.
Then solve for x.

HELO BUT I GOT sqrt of 6
 
Re: Max and min 5

May you Check to see if the book or me is wrong?
 
Re: Max and min 5

leprofece said:
May you Check to see if the book or me is wrong?

Posting your work will make it easier for our helpers to see if you are correct or not, otherwise we have to work the problem.
 
Re: Max and min 5

Substitute into [2]: .V=4/3πr3+(S−4πr2[/SUP/6])3/2
Ok I derive respect to R

4pir2+2pir[S−4πr2]1/2 = 0

2r = S−4πr2]1/2

4r2= S−4πr2

and r =1/2 [sqrt[s/[1+pi]]
and Diameter =sqrt[s/[1+pi]

And now I solve for x
substituting r on x
I got sqrt[s/6[1+pi]]

solving d/x¿area? I got sqrt of 6
the answer sail this must be = 1 and minimun debe ser infinity

I really appreciatte your help
I posted IAM WAITING YOUR CHECKING
 
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