Optimizing Hydrogen Atom Wave Function Expectation Values

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The discussion revolves around calculating expectation values for a hydrogen atom's wave function, specifically focusing on the kinetic and potential energy within a Coulomb potential. The original poster presents a wave function and seeks assistance in determining the expectation values and minimizing total energy with respect to a parameter.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration process required to compute expectation values, particularly in spherical coordinates. There are questions about the correctness of integrals and the application of operators in the context of kinetic energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the integration setup and the structure of expectation values. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with multiple interpretations of the integration limits and the application of the kinetic energy operator being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over integrating from negative to positive infinity and the normalization of the wave function. There is also mention of needing to clarify notation related to operators in quantum mechanics.

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"Optimizing" a Wave Function

Homework Statement



Consider a Hydrogen Atom, an electron in an attractive Coulomb potential of the form V(r)=-\frac{e_0^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0r}, where e0 is the elementary charge. Assume the following wave function for the electron (with α>0):
\psi(r)=Ae^{-\alpha r}.

a) Determine the expectation value for the kinetic energy.
b) Determine the expectation value for the potential energy.
c) The expectation value of the total energy seems to be given by the sum of the results of a) and b). Plot the dependency of the kinetic, potential and total energy to α. Minimize the total energy in respect to α. If your calculations are correct, you will obtain the energy of the 1s state.

Homework Equations



H=\frac{p^2}{2m}+V(r)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am quite sure what to do in c), that it is required to calculate the derivative of the total energy function to alpha and then find the minimum of that. However, I need to get some help with a) and b). I know so far that the expectation value is calculated like this:

<V>=<\psi|V|\psi>=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi\cdot V\cdot \psi~dr,

and that in a), the Laplace operator needs to be applied in spherical coordinates. But how exactly is the integration done?

I would be grateful if someone could explain that, as I find the idea of integrating from negative to positive infinity somewhat puzzling.
 
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The integral is over all space, so what you should have is
$$\langle V \rangle = \int \psi^*(\vec{r}) V(\vec{r}) \psi(\vec{r})\,d^3\vec{r}$$In spherical coordinates, this becomes
$$\langle V \rangle = \int_0^\infty \int_0^\pi \int_0^{2\pi} \psi^*(\vec{r}) V(\vec{r}) \psi(\vec{r})\,r^2\sin\theta\,d\phi\,d\theta\,dr$$
 


Thank you Vela! Would it maybe be possible for one of you to show me just how to correctly do this calculation, because my problem is that I usually need a good example and explanation on how to calculate complex things. When I look at calculations in books, those are usually good, but when I then try to apply the methods given there to problems, I usually don't get far.

I attempted though to do the integration you gave me, but I am not sure if it is correct (thus my request there).

<V>=\int\int\int -\psi^2 r^2 \sin\theta \frac{e_0^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r}dr d\theta d\phi
Then I did the integrations of θ and Phi and also put the values that are constants in front of the integral:
-4\pi \frac{e_0^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \psi^2 r^2 \frac{1}{r}dr
-4\pi \frac{e_0^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\cdot A^2 \int \exp(-2\alpha\cdot r) r^2 \frac{1}{r}dr

Is this even correct? I am feeling a bit lost, sorry.
 


That looks fine so far. Simplify the integrand and then integrate.
 


So, I am getting this:

-4\pi\cdot A^2\frac{e_0^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\int \exp(-\alpha\cdot r)\cdot r~dr
-A^2\frac{e_0^2}{\epsilon_0}\int \exp(-\alpha\cdot r)\cdot r~dr
and
A^2\frac{e_0^2}{\epsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1-\exp(-\alpha\cdot r)\cdot (\alpha\cdot r+1)}{\alpha^2}

Is this correct? If yes I'd continue on the kinetic energy, would this be:

<T>=-\int\int\int r^2\cdot\sin(\theta)\cdot\psi^2\cdot\frac{\hbar}{2m}\Delta~dr~d\theta~d\phi
?
 


Lunar_Lander said:
So, I am getting this:

-4\pi\cdot A^2\frac{e_0^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\int \exp(-\alpha\cdot r)\cdot r~dr
-A^2\frac{e_0^2}{\epsilon_0}\int \exp(-\alpha\cdot r)\cdot r~dr
and
A^2\frac{e_0^2}{\epsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1-\exp(-\alpha\cdot r)\cdot (\alpha\cdot r+1)}{\alpha^2}

Is this correct?
You need to plug the limits in. I didn't check to see if the antiderivative you came up with is correct.
If yes I'd continue on the kinetic energy, would this be:

<T>=-\int\int\int r^2\cdot\sin(\theta)\cdot\psi^2\cdot\frac{\hbar}{2m}\Delta~dr~d\theta~d\phi
?
No, that doesn't make sense. What is Δ supposed to be acting on?
 


Sorry, I had once seen this notation (T=\frac{\hbar}{2m}\Delta) somewhere. Would it rather be:

<T>=-\int\int\int r^2\cdot\sin(\theta)\cdot\psi^2\cdot\frac{\hbar}{2m}\Delta\psi~dr~d\theta~d\phi ?

I'll try the limits later on, but thanks for the help already :)!
 
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Lunar_Lander said:
Sorry, I had once seen this notation (T=\frac{\hbar}{2m}\Delta) somewhere. Would it rather be:

<T>=-\int\int\int r^2\cdot\sin(\theta)\cdot\psi^2\cdot\frac{\hbar}{2m}\Delta\psi~dr~d\theta~d\phi ?

I'll try the limits later on, but thanks for the help already :)!

You just have to be more careful with expectation value notation. That is, for an expectation value you sandwich the operator T between \psi and its conjugate. So the kinetic energy operator (or equivalently, the momentum operator squared) is acting on \psi only.
 


I think I got <V>, the first solution I posted was from the indefinite integral.

A^2\frac{e_0^2}{\epsilon_0}\int_0^{\infty}\exp(-2\alpha~r)r~dr

A^2\frac{e_0^2}{\epsilon_0}\cdot\frac{1}{4\alpha^2}=\frac{e_0^2\alpha}{4\pi\epsilon_0}.

Also, A can be found by normalizing the original wave function:

1=\int_0^{\infty}\int_0^{\pi}\int_0^{2\pi}\psi^2r^2\sin(\theta)~dr~d\theta~d\varphi

1=\int_0^{\infty}\int_0^{\pi}\int_0^{2\pi}A^2\exp(-2\alpha~r)r^2\sin(\theta)~dr~d\theta~d\varphi

1=2\pi\int_0^{\infty}\int_0^{\pi}A^2\exp(-2\alpha~r)r^2\sin(\theta)~dr~d\theta

1=4\pi\int_0^{\infty}A^2\exp(-2\alpha~r)r^2~dr

1=4\pi~A^2\frac{1}{4\alpha^3}

A=\sqrt{\frac{\alpha^3}{\pi}}
 
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That looks right, except that you dropped the overall negative sign.

You should find the expected value for the kinetic energy is half that in magnitude. Did you come up with the correct expression for ##\langle T \rangle##?
 

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