Optimizing Orbital Shielding: Comparing 1s, 3s, 4d, and 5s Orbitals

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The discussion revolves around the shielding effect of different atomic orbitals (1s, 3s, 4d, and 5s) when all are assumed to be filled. Participants explore the implications of orbital energy levels and their contributions to shielding, as well as the order of filling these orbitals.

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  • One participant asserts that the 4d orbital is the most shielded, while another argues for the 5s based on its higher energy and valence electron status.
  • It is suggested that the filling order of orbitals (5s filled before 4d) influences the shielding effect, with 4d orbitals providing more shielding due to their spherical shape.
  • A reference to Slater's rules is made, indicating that the effective charge experienced by electrons in the 5s orbital is lower than that in the 4d orbital, suggesting that 5s is more strongly shielded.
  • Another participant challenges the energy argument, stating that even if 4d orbitals have comparable energy levels to 5s, their compactness and nature as d orbitals would lead to less shielding.
  • A link to external resources is provided, claiming that the topic is often misrepresented in introductory textbooks and suggesting a deeper exploration into theoretical or quantum chemistry for clarity.

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Participants express differing views on which orbital is more shielded, with no consensus reached. Multiple competing perspectives on the influence of energy levels and orbital characteristics remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants reference specific rules and concepts (like Slater's rules) that may not be universally understood, indicating potential limitations in the discussion's accessibility. The debate also highlights the complexity of shielding effects, which may depend on various assumptions and definitions.

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Assuming all orbitals are filled, which of these orbitals is most shielded: 1s, 3s, 4d, 5s

The answer is 4d, but I chose 5s. Can someone explain? I thought the electrons in the d block are considered core electrons and contribute to the shielding, but feel more pull from the nucleus because of this and the 5s orbital is higher in energy and the electrons are valence electrons so they experience the most amount of shielding. Isn't this why electrons are removed from the 5s block before the 4d because the 5s orbital have more energy?
 
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It's kinda a trick question: the 5s/4d orbitals reverse the usual sequence of s after d.
The 5s orbitals are (usually) filled before the 4d, s the 4d orbitals get more shielding.
s shells are spherical, too, so that makes them better at shielding.
 
With "assuming all orbitals to be filled" I suppose you mean 1s22s22p63s23p63d104s24p64d105s2?

You may want to read about the Slater rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slater's_rules
Then applying these rules, the 5s electron sees an effective charge of 4.35 while the 4d a charge of 8.85. So clearly, the 5s is more strongly shielded than 4d.
 
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I'd just like to add that the energy argument can be highly misleading when estimating the shielding. Even when the 4d orbitals would represent comparable energy levels to the 5s orbitals, the 4d orbitals would still be much more compact (i.e., smaller in space) and represent d orbitals, which are less strongly shielded in any case. So, as DrDu said, I'd find it hard to believe that the 4d are more strongly shielded than the 5s.
 

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