Why do electrons with orbitals farther from the nucleus have greater e

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The discussion centers on the concept of electron energy levels in atomic orbitals, particularly why electrons in orbitals farther from the nucleus are considered to have higher energy. Participants explore the implications of electrostatic attraction, electron shielding, and the nature of energy in bound systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that electrons closer to the nucleus experience greater electrostatic attraction, which leads to a question about whether these electrons require more energy to remain in orbit.
  • Others argue that higher orbitals have higher energy because it takes work to remove an electron from an atom, implying that energy must be added to move an electron to a higher orbital.
  • A gravitational analogy is suggested, where lifting an electron to a higher orbit is likened to lifting an object against gravity, requiring energy due to the attraction of protons in the nucleus.
  • Some participants clarify that the energy of a bound electron is typically negative, with lower energy states being more tightly bound, but this leads to confusion regarding the interpretation of energy levels.
  • A later reply questions the interpretation of energy levels, stating that inner electrons have lower potential energy and require more energy to be released from the nucleus, suggesting a deeper understanding of the potential well concept.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the relationship between electron energy levels and their distance from the nucleus. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of energy in this context.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the negative energy convention and the implications of electron shielding, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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If the electrons closer to the nucleus experience greater electrostatic attraction from the nucleus, would not the closer electrons require more energy to stay in orbit? Also, the electron shielding from the inner electrons would reduce the energy required to stay farther away from the nucleus for electrons in the outer orbitals.

I just don't exactly understand what is meant by the phrase higher orbitals have higher energy.

In terms of the electrons themselves, I don't exactly understand why electrons in farther orbitals have higher energy than those closer to the nucleus Is it a precursor to being in the orbital? And if so, why?

I am currently only in introductory chemistry and physics, and have learned a little about wave functions and how the frequencies of electrons changes as n increases. A clarification on how and why the frequency changes as n increases would also be extremely helpful, along with any additional comments.

Thanks!
 
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MathewsMD said:
I just don't exactly understand what is meant by the phrase higher orbitals have higher energy.
It takes work to pull an electron away from an atom. Therefore higher orbitals have higher energy.
 
MathewsMD said:
If the electrons closer to the nucleus experience greater electrostatic attraction from the nucleus, would not the closer electrons require more energy to stay in orbit? Also, the electron shielding from the inner electrons would reduce the energy required to stay farther away from the nucleus for electrons in the outer orbitals.

I just don't exactly understand what is meant by the phrase higher orbitals have higher energy.

It means that energy will be released when an electron drops from a higher orbital to a lower one, and conversely that energy has to be added to push an electron into a higher orbital. That's consistent with your observation about shielding and electrostatic attraction.
 
May be a gravitational analogy will help. Lifting an object requires energy because it is attracted by Earth's gravity. Similarly lifting an electron to a higher orbit requires energy because it is attracted by the protons in the nucleus
 
(In the usual convention), the energy of a bound electron is negative. The electrons in lower energy states are more tightly bound and have lower energies on the number line, but higher absolute value of energy.
 
Khashishi said:
(In the usual convention), the energy of a bound electron is negative. The electrons in lower energy states are more tightly bound and have lower energies on the number line, but higher absolute value of energy.

I think that is adding confusion. It is actually wrong. The inner electrons have a lower (i.e.more negative) potential; they have fallen deeper into the potential well of the nucleus. They require more energy for them to be released from the hold of the nucleus. That's all there is to it.
 

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