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News Organized disorderly conduct at town hall meetings

  1. Aug 6, 2009 #1
    http://www.thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/4996/2/ [Broken]


    Should the organizers of these acts of "disorderly conduct" be arrested and prosecuted?
     
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  3. Aug 6, 2009 #2

    DavidSnider

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    If they encourage people to incite violence, yes. Just being obnoxious, no.
     
  4. Aug 6, 2009 #3
    Who would you like to decide whether the conduct is disorderly? The current party in power?
     
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  5. Aug 6, 2009 #4

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    Because just like during the election, they - the Republicans brought in to disrupt the discussions - are making false accusations. They are also preventing people who actually wish to learn and talk about the issue of health care from doing so. Have you seen the chaos they have been inciting? That isn't democracy; it is an attempt at mob rule.


    They are reciting the insurance company line.
    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=328246
     
  6. Aug 6, 2009 #5
    It is all just the same old fear factor right wing politics. And it is organized by special interests.


    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/
     
  7. Aug 6, 2009 #6

    Why not let experienced police officers like Crowley keep an eye on the town hall meetings. :approve:
     
  8. Aug 6, 2009 #7

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    Heh, this is a funny thread - democrats complaining about republican protests!? We're definitely in bizarro world now!
     
  9. Aug 6, 2009 #8

    Ivan Seeking

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    They aren't protesting, they are disrupting town hall meetings. Do you know the difference?

    They are denying other Americans the right to free speech. When you get the occasional liberal nut trying to disrupt Republican events, they are arrested or escorted out. But in this case we have mobs, not just a few individuals.

    Here in Oregon, one woman was forced to leave a Republican rally just for wearing an Obama t-shirt.
     
  10. Aug 6, 2009 #9
    Why did you bother quoting my question if you weren't going to answer it? Your response indicates you read something that wasn't there. I guess I need to add a sig that says "I'm mostly libertarian, and have little respect for either party". That way if I say something like "Its going to rain tomorrow", people won't immediately presume I'm a democrat, and if I say, "I had eggs for breakfast" they won't immediately presume I'm a republican.
     
  11. Aug 6, 2009 #10

    mheslep

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    If anyone sees anyone doing anything 'fishy' at these town halls you have a duty to your President to report them:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

    No that's not a statement from the the Puffington Host or what have you. Yes it is up on whitehouse.gov, with a whitehouse email address to collect information on Americans.

    BTW, I've reported Evo for her fishy fish smacks. They have you in their database clutches now Evo.
     
  12. Aug 6, 2009 #11

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    Gene Green's town hall meeting: packed with people who don't want a government-run "socialist" health insurance program. Then Rep. Green asks how many people are on Medicare, and sheepishly, the hands come up. Are these people brain-dead? If it wasn't for that "socialist" insurance program, most would likely have no coverage. Why are they taking advantage of a publicly-financed health insurance while trying to keep others from getting that option?

     
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  13. Aug 6, 2009 #12
    What is illogical about trying to get half your money back from a thief that took your money? So you're saying the best way to fight government behavior you don't believe in, is to increase its efficiency?
     
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  14. Aug 6, 2009 #13

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    Obviously, they approve of the government behavior when it benefits them personally, because there were a LOT of Medicare recipients in the room and probably many more who didn't raise their hands out of embarrassment at their own hypocrisy. These people are bussed in by lobbyist-controlled special interest groups solely to disrupt the meetings and try to prevent civil discourse.
     
  15. Aug 6, 2009 #14

    Ivan Seeking

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    Sorry, I misread your post.

    As to who should decide, that is not relevant. If they are disrupting a town hall then they should be asked to leave or be escorted out. There is such a thing as disorderly conduct.
     
  16. Aug 6, 2009 #15

    Ivan Seeking

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    Yep, just more right-wing sleeze.
     
  17. Aug 6, 2009 #16

    Ivan Seeking

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    Oh lord. Try to get a grip.

    They are trying to track and counter all of the disinformation being spread by Republican operatives. It seems they also need to track and counter all of the bogus claims related to their debunking of bogus claims. You should be ashamed of yourself.
     
  18. Aug 6, 2009 #17

    mheslep

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    Republican operatives! Yes, yes they must be stopped! Especially the fishy ones.
     
  19. Aug 6, 2009 #18

    turbo

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    Well, I see a profound lack of intelligence and personal responsibility displayed by people who gladly accept Medicare insurance and then start spouting off in public meetings about the evils of a publicly-financed health insurance program. Typical neo-con "logic" - "It's a socialist hand-out because it doesn't benefit me."
     
  20. Aug 6, 2009 #19
    So if government forces someone to buy insurance they don't want, it's hypocritical to be against such a program, but actually use the insurance after being forced to pay for it?

    What kind of logic is that?
     
  21. Aug 6, 2009 #20

    Ivan Seeking

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    How is a democracy supposed to operate when the "opposition party" seeks to spread disinformation as their form of opposition?

    I can hardly think of anything more Un-American than disrupting town halls meetings. These people are not loyal Americans - they obviously don't believe in the Constitution. Their idea of free speech is to spread disinformation at the expense of the nation.
     
  22. Aug 6, 2009 #21
    You mean the constitution with provisions for the federal government to operate a national health care plan at taxpayer expense? Or the real one?

    Democrats and the White House are now claiming that the protests were orchestrated by insurance companies and lobbyists. And Harry Reid "scoffed at the notion that the protesters reflect grass-roots sentiment". (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul [Broken])

    I'm not in favor of any disorderly conduct, but how delusional can Democrats be to think that no one could possible oppose their ideas except insurance companies and lobbyists?
     
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  23. Aug 6, 2009 #22
    The details on what constitutes an "acceptable" health care plan are not final yet, but any American that decides that he/she is not interested in buying such a policy will have to pay an additional income tax equal to (the lesser of) 2.5% of their income (over a specified amount) or the national average cost of an "acceptable" plan. (Source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3200: [Broken], HR3200)

    The only exception is being a member of a recognized religious sect (Amish?) that opposes buying such coverage. Any other individual that is personally against buying a mental health/birth control/abortion/prescription drug, etc. insurance policy will just have to pay the extra tax in addition to the (Major Medical?) policy they have (if it's still legal to have), or buy a policy against their own beliefs to satisfy government.

    There are also many Americans (like me) that don't morally oppose such policies, but just don't need or want an expensive insurance policy, and just keep a Major Medical policy that doesn't come anywhere close to "accepted".

    Why would Democrats demand participation? (as if the answer isn't obvious).
     
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  24. Aug 6, 2009 #23
    Fortunately, I'm Amish, or soon will be. There are two issues here that are getting somewhat conflated. One is the disruption of town hall meetings and the other is the opposition to the plan.

    I did a desultory search for video of disrupted meetings and found none. Has someone got something for me? The descriptions I have read leave some doubt in my mind as to whether the politicians were in danger or they were fearful that they could be in danger. I can't comment on the disruption because I simply don't know enough to do so.

    Opposition to the plan is to be expected from those whose oxen will be gored, those who are opposed on partisan grounds, those who are misinformed, among others as well those who have genuine concerns. Some people with money and organization to do so are packing these meetings which is what they are supposed to do. If you don't like it, pack them yourself. By all means forbear criticizing the opposition merely for existing.
     
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  25. Aug 6, 2009 #24
    Me, either. No one has provided any substantiation for much of anything. The quote in the OP was obvious propaganda, and the AP, and the news services that carry their stories are worthless at reporting any actual facts.

    Of course, according to AP, all of the protesters interviewed denied having any connection to any political party or insurance company, but that doesn't mean much. The fact that not a single shred of evidence to the contrary has been offered means a lot, considering the claims made by Dems and the White House.

    Are they just using the delusional logic that they must be connected to insurance companies, etc., since they oppose the plan?
     
  26. Aug 6, 2009 #25

    mheslep

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    I have not seen evidence of that either, unless putting up some $1.99 website saying Congressman Rockhead's townhall is 6PM at the Moose lodge is considered wielding power. I call paying people to pack a hall the wielding of money and power. If that's going on I'd also like to know where.
     
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