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The discussion revolves around the properties of the orthogonal complement in the context of infinite dimensional vector spaces, specifically focusing on the relationship between a subspace and its double orthogonal complement. Participants explore whether the double orthogonal complement corresponds to the topological closure of the vector space.

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  • One participant presents a proof showing that if ##M## is a linear subspace of a Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}##, then ##M \subseteq M^{\perp\perp}##, suggesting that the topological closure of ##M## is ##M^{\perp\perp}##.
  • Another participant argues that the inclusion ##\overline{M} \subset (M^{\perp})^{\perp}## holds, emphasizing that orthogonal complements are closed linear subspaces.
  • Some participants highlight that limits of sequences preserve orthogonality, indicating that ##\overline{M}## is contained in the double orthogonal complement, but not necessarily equal to it.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of discussing Cauchy sequences in the proof, suggesting that the argument could be made without them, using the definition of orthogonal complements instead.
  • One participant provides a counterexample to illustrate that a subspace may not be dense in its double orthogonal complement, using the example of ##\mathbb{R}^1## as a subset of ##\mathbb{R}^2##.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of Cauchy sequences in the proof and whether the double orthogonal complement is equal to the closure of the subspace. There is no consensus on the implications of the properties discussed.

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Participants note that the discussion is situated within the framework of infinite dimensional spaces, which may introduce complexities not present in finite dimensions. The implications of the definitions and properties of orthogonal complements are not fully resolved.

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Consider the infinite dimensional vector space of functions ##M## over ##\mathbb{C}##.

The inner product defined as in square integrable functions we use in quantum mechanics.

If we already know that the orthogonal complement is itself closed, how can we show that the orthogonal complement of the orthogonal complement gives the ***topological closure*** of the vector space and not the vector space itself?

$$M^{{\perp}{\perp}}=\overline M$$
 
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Is this a homework question or are you merely curious? I would say you should look carefully at the definition of the orthogonal complement (keeping in mind the infinity of the dimension).
 
Clearly ##\overline{M}## is contained in the double orthogonal complement as limits of sequences preserve orthogonality. So you can't expect that it is equal to ##M## in general.
 
Is this proof a good one:

Let ##M \subseteq \mathcal{H}## be a linear subspace.

(i) Consider ##\{\varphi_n\}## as a Cauchy sequence in ##M##

Because ##\forall \varphi_n \in M \implies \forall \mu \in M^\perp: \langle\mu, \varphi_n\rangle=0\implies \varphi_n\in (M^\perp)^\perp##

Therefore, ##M \subseteq M^{\perp\perp}##

(ii) Now ##M^{\perp\perp}## is a closed linear subspace of ##\mathcal{H}## because it is an orthogonal complement.

Therefore, it is a sub Hilbert space. Hence complete. So ##\{\varphi_n\}## is a Cauchy sequence in ##M^{\perp\perp}## and hence it converges in ##M^{\perp\perp}##:

##\lim_{n \to \infty} \varphi_n= \varphi \in M^{\perp\perp}##

We have shown that ##\{\varphi_n\}## as a Cauchy sequence in ##M## converges to ##\varphi## in ##M^{\perp\perp}## or ##M## is densely defined in ##M^{\perp\perp}##. That is the topological closure of ##M## is ##M^{\perp\perp}##:

$$\overline{M}=M^{\perp\perp}$$
 
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Therefore, ##M \subseteq M^{\perp\perp}##
This is true in any inner product space (or indeed in any space with a symmetric bilinear form). You don't need to talk about Cauchy sequences. Here is an argument: let ##v\in M##. Then, by the definition of orthogonal complement, ##\langle v,w\rangle=0## for all ##w\in M^{\perp}##. This equation also means ##v\in (M^{\perp})^{\perp}.##

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(ii) Now ##M^{\perp\perp}## is a closed linear subspace of ##\mathcal{H}## because it is an orthogonal complement.
Right, although you might want to check this fact (that orthogonal complements are topologically closed) if you haven't thought about the proof. Using this, taking closures of ##M\subset (M^{\perp})^{\perp}## shows that ##\overline{M}\subset (M^{\perp})^{\perp}.##

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Therefore, it is a sub Hilbert space. Hence complete. So ##\{\varphi_n\}## is a Cauchy sequence in ##M^{\perp\perp}## and hence it converges in ##M^{\perp\perp}##:

##\lim_{n \to \infty} \varphi_n= \varphi \in M^{\perp\perp}##

We have shown that ##\{\varphi_n\}## as a Cauchy sequence in ##M## converges to ##\varphi## in ##M^{\perp\perp}## or ##M## is densely defined in ##M^{\perp\perp}##.
What you wrote doesn't imply that ##M## is dense in ##(M^{\perp})^{\perp}##. e.g. consider ##\mathbb{R}^1\subset\mathbb{R}^2## included in the obvious way. Any Cauchy sequence in ##\mathbb{R}^1## converges in ##\mathbb{R}^2##, but it's definitely not dense.
 

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