Oscillation of one molecule or atom

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the oscillation and movement of atoms and molecules when subjected to energy transfer, particularly in the context of heat and electromagnetic fields. Participants explore the mechanisms behind these movements, including the roles of restoring forces, electromagnetic interactions, and the nature of single atoms versus molecules.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the nature of atomic movement, suggesting that atoms do not absorb energy to move independently but rather respond to external forces such as momentum transfer or electromagnetic fields.
  • Another participant states that oscillations require a restoring force, which is typically provided by interatomic forces in aggregates of atoms, implying that a single isolated atom cannot vibrate mechanically.
  • It is proposed that while a neutral atom cannot interact with electromagnetic fields, it can behave like a dipole or quadrupole due to the distribution of charges within it, allowing for participation in electromagnetic vibrations.
  • Some participants note that molecules, unlike single atoms, can vibrate and rotate, particularly when considering their normal modes of vibration that can emit radiation.
  • There is a contention regarding the ability of a single atom to rotate, with one participant arguing that it should be able to respond to light in a way that implies rotational motion, despite the mathematical treatment of atoms as point particles in spectroscopy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability of single atoms to vibrate or rotate, with some asserting that they cannot do so in isolation, while others challenge this notion, suggesting that interactions with light could induce motion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the mechanics of atomic movement.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about atomic behavior, particularly regarding the treatment of atoms as point particles and the implications of electromagnetic interactions. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of oscillation and the conditions under which atoms and molecules can exhibit movement.

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Hello all,

Many Physics texts simply say that atoms "vibrate" when heat energy is transfer to a metal bar when it is heated. Or that molecules vibrate as the result of heat transfer.
I'm trying to understand what makes an atom or molecule "move" or oscillate when energy is given to it.
If I have only one molecule in a region of space with no other molecules or atoms around it and a beam of light from the sun hits it, the molecule will oscillate up and down because of the electromagnetic fields? It is just a matter of electric charges in the molecule moving in a field?

I don't think the atoms would absorb energy and start to move by themselves as if something inside the particles were creating that motion like a mexican jumping bean. Either they move as a result of momentum being transferred or by the charges being submitted to an electromagnetic field (or even because of a gravitational field acting upon its mass)

In brownian motion we know that the molecules move as the result of numerous collisions they undertake one another. But what if I have only one molecule?

many thanks for any comments.

Cheers,

Marcio
 
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Oscillations or vibrations occur under the control of a restoring force.
They cannot occur without this second agent.

Have you done simple harmonic motion?

In an aggregate of atoms the restoring force is provided by interatomic forces.

A single isolated atom cannot vibrate, mechanically.

It can, however be involved in collisions with other particles and suffer change of momentum.
Photons have momentum.
However they are so small they are will affect individual parts of the atom rather than the atom as a whole, particularly the outer electrons.

Atoms are electrically neutral so in general they can't interact with electromagnetic fields.
However they also have physical size and they are neutral because they contain an equal number of positive and negative charges.
These charges are not all in one place but are distributed within the atom.
This leads to the atom being able to act like a dipole or quadrupole and participate in vibrations in EM fields. This is how NMR works.

Does this help?
 
It will oscillate if it's charged. A neutral molecule may also rotate or vibrate internally if it has an electric dipole change associated with that movement.
 
Hi Studiot,

thanks, it helps.

MArcio
 
Atoms cannot vibrate alone. They also cannot rotate. In chemistry atoms are treated as point particles for purposes of rotational and vibrational spectroscopy.

However molecules can rotate and vibrate; when they vibrate at their normal modes, they can emit radiation (usually in the IR band) at the frequency of these normal modes.
 
chill_factor said:
Atoms cannot vibrate alone. They also cannot rotate. In chemistry atoms are treated as point particles for purposes of rotational and vibrational spectroscopy.

However molecules can rotate and vibrate; when they vibrate at their normal modes, they can emit radiation (usually in the IR band) at the frequency of these normal modes.

How can a single atom NOT rotate alone? that doesn't make much sense, ofcourse for mathematical purposes a rotating single atom may be the same as a still one(apart from... magnetism?) but if you shoot light at it from an angle, it should using common sense, be shocked away in a spinning momentum, assuming it reflects the light.
 

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