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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving osmotic pressure related to artificial blood cells. Participants explore the effects of different solute concentrations on cell integrity and the implications of using glucose versus salt solutions in maintaining osmotic balance.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that increasing the salt concentration from 1 mM to 2 mM would cause the artificial cells to shrivel due to osmotic pressure differences.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of knowing the specific identity of the salt used, implying that the problem may assume NaCl but does not confirm it.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formula for osmotic pressure, with participants noting discrepancies in notation and definitions of concentration.
  • One participant identifies the van't Hoff factor for glucose as 1 and for NaCl as 2, leading to a consideration of how this affects the required concentration of glucose to achieve the same osmotic pressure as NaCl.
  • A later reply confirms that to equalize osmotic pressure, the concentration of glucose would need to be twice that of NaCl due to the difference in their van't Hoff factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of osmotic pressure formulas and the implications of using different solutes. There is no consensus on the necessity of knowing the specific salt identity, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the osmotic pressure equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions of concentration and the symbols used in the osmotic pressure formula. The discussion highlights the importance of the van't Hoff factor in determining the effective concentration needed for osmotic balance.

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Homework Statement

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You are trying to make artifiial blood cells. You have managed to get pure lipid bilayers to form spherical bags of radius 10um, filled with hemoglobin. The first time you did this, you transferred the "cells" into pure water and they promptly burst, spilling the contents. Eventually you found that transferring them into 1 mM (one mili molarity) of salt solution prevents bursting, leaving the "cells" spherical and full of hemoglobin and water.
a) If 1 mM is good, then would 2 mM be twice as good? What happens when you try this?
b) Later you decide that you don't want salt outside because it makes your solution electrically conducting. How many moles per liter of glucose should you use instead?

Homework Equations


p = cK(b)T
c = n/V
n = m/molar mass

The Attempt at a Solution


So for A, since 1 mM made the solution isotonic, making the concentration of the solution higher would make the water from the cells go into the solution, shrivelling the cells. So if you increase to 2 mM, then it would not be a good idea.

For B, I'm kind of confused. the Van't hoff relation formula is p(equil) = cK(b)T. This pressure is necessary for keeping the integrity of the cell. So when c = 1mM for the saline solution, it was able to achieve this integrity.
p = 1mM*c*k(b)T

So wouldn't this also work for glucose, keeping the concentration c =1 mM concentration making the pressure the same? I feel like I'm missing something.
 
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Actually you can't solve the problem without knowing the identity of the salt (I suppose you are expected to assume NaCl, but it doesn't have to be correct).

I am not sure you use the correct formula for the osmotic pressure (or at least I don't I understand meaning of the symbols). Please check the formula and name the symbols.

Van 't Hoff is definitely a name that is important here.
 
yes, they are talking about sodium chloride. And what do you mean about the correct formula? I'm using Osmotic pressure = concentration(number density of solute molecules) * Boltzmann constant * temperature. What formula am i supposed to use?
 
OK, I am used to the version with gas constant of molar concentration, but these are equivalent. You put Boltzmann constant once as K(b) and once as k(b), while it is typically marked as kB, and you used c for concentration (not explaining what kind of concentration it is, so I assumed it is the most popular molarity), don't be surprised I couldn't understand what you mean.

Concentration of "solute molecules" and "concentration of salt" are two different things. Google for the "Van 't Hoff factor".
 
Ok, so I googled it. the van't hoff factor of glucose is 1. the van't hoff factor of nacl is 2.
does this mean glucose will have half the concentration as nacl?

edit:

osmotic pressure = (van hoff factor) * c * Boltzmann constant * temperature
for glucose, if the van't hoff factor is half of the salt van't hoff, then the concentration would need to be twice as much as nacl for it to equalize. is this right?
 
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thercias said:
for glucose, if the van't hoff factor is half of the salt van't hoff, then the concentration would need to be twice as much as nacl for it to equalize. is this right?

Yes.
 

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