Outer Measure .... Axler, Result 2.5 ....

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The discussion revolves around the proof of Result 2.5 from Sheldon Axler's book "Measure, Integration & Real Analysis," specifically focusing on the concept of outer measure and its implications. Participants are exploring the rigorous proof required to establish a relationship between the outer measure of a set and the infimum of the sums of lengths of covering intervals.

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  • Peter seeks a formal proof that connects the outer measure of a set \( |A| \) to the infimum of the sums of lengths of intervals covering \( A \).
  • Peter proposes assuming \( |A| > \text{inf}(\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} l(I_k) \text{ where } B \subset \cup_{k=1}^{\infty} I_k) \) to derive a contradiction.
  • GJA suggests that the collection of intervals also covers \( A \), which could be crucial for reaching a contradiction.
  • Peter elaborates that if there exists a covering of \( B \) such that \( |A| > \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} l(I_k) \), then since \( A \subset B \), it follows that \( |A| \leq \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} l(I_k) \), leading to a contradiction.
  • GJA affirms Peter's reasoning, indicating that the argument is well-structured.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the validity of the contradiction derived from the assumptions made, although the initial proof structure remains a point of exploration. There is no explicit consensus on the final proof yet.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of outer measure and the nature of coverings, which may not be fully resolved. The dependence on definitions from Axler's text is acknowledged but not elaborated upon in detail.

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This discussion may be useful for students and scholars interested in measure theory, particularly those studying outer measure and its properties in the context of mathematical analysis.

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I am reading Sheldon Axler's book: Measure, Integration & Real Analysis ... and I am focused on Chapter 1: Measures ...

I need help with the proof of Result 2.5 ...

Result 2.5 and its proof read as follows:
Axler - Result 2.5 .png

Now $$ \mid A \mid \leq \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ follows from Axler's definition of outer measure ( is that correct?) ... see definition below ...

Then essentially we have to prove that $$ \mid A \mid \leq \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \Longrightarrow \mid A \mid \leq \text{ inf } ( \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \text{ where } B \subset \cup_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k ) $$ ...

But how do we rigorously prove this ...

Can someone please demonstrate a formal and rigorous proof that:

$$\mid A \mid \leq \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \Longrightarrow \mid A \mid \leq \text{ inf } ( \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \text{ where } B \subset \cup_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k ) $$ ...Help will be much appreciated ...===============================================My thoughts ...

Perhaps we can assume that $$\mid A \mid \ \gt \text{ inf } ( \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \text{ where } B \subset \cup_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k ) $$ ... and obtain a contradiction ...

We have that $$ \mid A \mid \ \gt \text{ inf } ( \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \text{ where } B \subset \cup_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k ) \Longrightarrow \ \exists \ \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ such that $$\mid A \mid \ \gt \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ where $$\sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k$$ covers $$B$$ ... Is this a contradiction ...? why exactly? How would you explain the contradiction clearly and rigorously ...

Hope that someone can help ...

Peter=============================================================================================================

Readers of the above post may be assisted by access to Axler's definition of the length of an open interval and his definition of outer measure ... so I am providing access to the relevant text ... as follows:
Axler - Length of Interval & Outer Messure ... .png

Hope that helps ...

Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

You're almost there. Note that the collection of intervals is also a cover of $A$. Can you arrive at your contradiction using this fact?
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,

You're almost there. Note that the collection of intervals is also a cover of $A$. Can you arrive at your contradiction using this fact?
Thanks for the help GJA ...

I think I can proceed now ... as follows ...

Assume that $$\mid A \mid \ \gt \text{ inf } ( \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k) \text{ where } B \subset \cup_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k ) $$

... then $$\ \exists \ $$ a particular covering $$I_1, I_2, I_3,$$ ... of $$B$$ such that $$\mid A \mid \ \gt \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ where $$B \subset \cup_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } I_k $$

But this particular covering also covers $$A$$ since $$A \subset B$$ ...

... so that $$\mid A \mid \ \leq \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ ... since $$\mid A \mid$$ is a lower bound on $$\sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ for all coverings $$I_1, I_2, I_3,$$ ... of $$A$$

... BUT ... $$\mid A \mid \ \leq \sum_{ k = 1 }^{ \infty } l(I_k)$$ is a contradiction of our assumption ...
Is the above correct?

Can someone please critique the above argument ...

Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
 
Looks great, Peter. Nicely done!
 
Thanks GJA ... appreciate your help as usual...

Peter
 

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