Outrageous Facts by Academically Validated Physicists

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The discussion revolves around the request for quotes from academically validated physicists that express "outrageous" facts related to quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on concepts such as superposition and entanglement. Participants explore the implications of these concepts and their interpretations, as well as the historical context of such statements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks specific quotes from physicists that illustrate the "outrageous" nature of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding superposition and entanglement.
  • Another participant questions whether the focus should be solely on quantum physics or if it can include broader physics topics.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the interpretation of superposition, suggesting it does not imply that particles exist in multiple locations simultaneously until measured.
  • Concerns are raised about the portrayal of quantum concepts, with references to Schrödinger's cat and the idea that it may be misrepresented by laypeople.
  • A participant shares a quote from Richard Feynman regarding antiparticles, indicating a desire for more context on his statements.
  • There is discussion about the accuracy of subtitles in a video featuring Feynman, with participants debating whether he said "god particles" or "gut particles."
  • Some participants express frustration over the direction of the conversation, feeling it has shifted from the original request for quotes to deeper physics questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of superposition or the nature of the quotes being sought. There are competing views on the implications of quantum mechanics and the accuracy of popular interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of quantum concepts, highlighting the complexity and potential misunderstandings surrounding them. There are references to historical context and the evolution of ideas in physics.

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Can anyone post here quotes from academically validated physicists that state outrageous facts? I realize that Bohr said that if one isn't shocked by QM one doesn't understand it. But I am looking for something more specific. For example a quote about superposition , entanglement etc. The idea that a particle does not have a location until "observed".
I will never understand all the math. I understand that one shouldn't have too much faith in authority. But a few quotes from respected physicists will facilitate a belief that QM is truly paradigm shattering.
 
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Something about Superposition. I need at least confirmation from a validated physicist to believe in something so outrageous. Do respected physicists really believe that an object has no location until measured? That it can be in more then one place at the same time?
 
I have searched the internet for quotes from respected physicists about superposition and entanglement but have found none! That surprised me. I expected that after superposition became orthodox there would be plenty of quotes that say that a particle can be in more then 2 places at once.
 
wittgenstein said:
I expected that after superposition became orthodox there would be plenty of quotes that say that a particle can be in more then 2 places at once.

Superposition doesn't say that.
 
So its basically Newtonian? Nothing unusual?
 
I have heard that it is the same old billard balls but has been portrayed as unusual by laymen.For example, that it is not that the cat is in two states, its just that we don't know what state it is in.
 
I always thought that Schrödinger's cat was suspicious. It would be A ( particle ) and not A (a particle ). And from a contradiction everything follows.
 
This is now veering into actual physics question, rather than just wanting quotes and making it a General Discussion topic. If you want to ask about quantum superposition, either browse the numerous existing threads on this topic, or ask in the Quantum Physics forum. Otherwise, you are derailing your own thread.

Zz.
 
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I simply want quotes from physicists about superposition . How am I derailing my own thread? That is what the OP asked for. OK I will ask the question in a quantum section.
 
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wittgenstein said:
I simply want quotes from physicists about superposition . How am I derailing my own thread? That is what the OP asked for. OK I will ask the question in a quantum section.

Read what you wrote here:

wittgenstein said:
I have heard that it is the same old billard balls but has been portrayed as unusual by laymen.For example, that it is not that the cat is in two states, its just that we don't know what state it is in.

wittgenstein said:
I always thought that Schrödinger's cat was suspicious. It would be A ( particle ) and not A (a particle ). And from a contradiction everything follows.

These are physics-related questions. You are no longer asking for "quotes".

Zz.
 
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wittgenstein said:
So its basically Newtonian? Nothing unusual?

I said no such thing.

If you want to understand QM, there are better ways to go about it than a parade of misunderstandings, misstatements and misrepresentations, hoping someone will correct you.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I said no such thing.

If you want to understand QM, there are better ways to go about it than a parade of misunderstandings, misstatements and misrepresentations, hoping someone will correct you.

Am currently reading a book about four personality types that have basis in genetics...
 
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Hi again, @wittgenstein, I was about to post this in the other thread yesterday, but it got locked before I could post it.
wittgenstein said:
But a few quotes from respected physicists will facilitate a belief that QM is truly paradigm shattering.
Perhaps this short clip with Richard Feynman is in the ballpark of what you are asking for?

Richard Feynman - Quantum Mechanics

(note: here Feynman in my opinion regretfully says "god particles"* and I don't know why or what he means by that, so I suggest you please ignore that and replace it with just "particles" :wink:)
*Edit: He probably says "gut particles" and the subtitle was wrong.
 
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I want to... explain why there must be antiparticles... It is easy to demonstrate that if Nature was nonrelativistic, if things started out that way then it would be that way for all time, and so the problem would be pushed back to Creation itself, and God only knows how that was done.

Richard Feynman "THE REASON FOR ANTIPARTICLES" 1986
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...c1_p1-60_CBO.pdf/reason_for_antiparticles.pdf
(p. 2, 3)
 
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DennisN said:
(note: here Feynman in my opinion regretfully says "god particles" and I don't know why or what he means by that, so I suggest you please ignore that and replace it with just "particles" :wink:)
Although the video subtitle at 0m20s says `the "god particles" in the deep inner workings`,
it sounds like he is saying `the "gut particles" in the deep inner workings`...
"gut" maybe as in GUT ("grand unified theory") https://www.google.com/search?&q="gut particle"+physics .
 
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The Weinberg quote sounds like a subtle pitch for "string theory" (a point-less theory).
 
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robphy said:
Although the video subtitle at 0m20s says `the "god particles" in the deep inner workings`,
it sounds like he is saying `the "gut particles" in the deep inner workings`...
"gut" maybe as in GUT ("grand unified theory").
Yes, I've listened to it twice now without watching the subtitles, and I think you are right, it sounds like "gut" or "GUT". So my guess it was bad subtitles. Thanks! :smile:
 
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DennisN said:
Hi again, @wittgensteinRichard Feynman - Quantum Mechanics

(note: here Feynman in my opinion regretfully says "god particles" and I don't know why or what he means by that, so I suggest you please ignore that and replace it with just "particles" :wink:)


robphy said:
Although the video subtitle at 0m20s says `the "god particles" in the deep inner workings`,
it sounds like he is saying `the "gut particles" in the deep inner workings`...
"gut" maybe as in GUT ("grand unified theory") https://www.google.com/search?&q="gut particle"+physics .

DennisN said:
Yes, I've listened to it twice now without watching the subtitles, and I think you are right, it sounds like "gut" or "GUT". So my guess it was bad subtitles. Thanks! :smile:

Definitely "gut", but not GUT as in Grand Unified Theory, but gut, as in definition 2 from Merriam-Webster online,

"2 guts plural : the inner essential parts
// the guts of a car"
 
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