Outrageous Injustice: Saudi Woman Sentenced to Jail, Lashes

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The discussion centers around the sentencing of a Saudi woman to jail and lashes after being a victim of gang rape, raising questions about justice, cultural norms, and the implications of religious laws. Participants explore the moral and legal frameworks surrounding the case, including comparisons to Western justice systems and the treatment of women in different cultures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express outrage at the sentencing, labeling it as barbaric and unjust.
  • Others question the fairness of the law requiring gender segregation, suggesting it reflects cultural values rather than universal justice.
  • A few participants propose hypothetical scenarios to discuss the implications of breaking laws while being a victim of a crime, raising the question of whether both actions should be punished.
  • Some argue that moral relativism complicates the discussion, asserting that while justice systems vary, there are fundamental moral truths that should not be violated.
  • Several participants emphasize that such severe punishments for victims of rape are not comparable to practices in Western legal systems, asserting that such cases would not occur in their jurisdictions.
  • Others challenge the notion of moral relativism, suggesting that true moral propositions can be established, thus questioning the validity of cultural justifications for the punishment.
  • Some participants highlight the need for a broader understanding of justice systems and the potential for unfair verdicts in any legal framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement, with multiple competing views on the nature of justice, the validity of cultural laws, and the implications of moral relativism. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the acceptability of the laws in question and the treatment of victims in different cultures.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various legal and cultural frameworks, but the discussion lacks consensus on the definitions of justice and morality, as well as the implications of cultural practices on legal outcomes.

  • #121
I heard that some people are screaming for her execution.
 
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  • #122
What is wrong with them?!? She was the victim yet she was punished... How inhuman!
 
  • #123
According to the king, the judges made the right decision, but he pardoned her none the less.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22293189/"
 
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jimmysnyder said:
According to the king, the judges made the right decision, but he pardoned her none the less.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22293189/"

"The case sparked international outcry, especially after the court more than doubled the sentence last month to 200 lashes and six months prison in response to her appeal.

U.S. President George W. Bush expressed anger at the sentence earlier this month, saying he wondered how he would react if it had been one of his daughters. But he said he had not made his views known directly to the Saudi king, a U.S. ally."

I wonder what bush would say if one of his daughters was 'waterboarded'?
 
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  • #126
theCandyman said:
The absolute worst. Cutural norms and religion are not anywhere near a good excuse for this kind of judgement. What happened to the men?

cultural norms and religion can be a good excuse. You can't apply your cultural norms and religion.
I'm not agreeing with the saudis but simply making a point that cultural norms and religion can justify anything depending on what the norms and religions entail.
 
  • #127
russ_watters said:
Does anyone else think the teacher in the Sudan is dumb for appealing her sentence? Doesn't she see the parallel with what happened to the woman in Saudia Arabia? They could always decide to up the sentence. And even after she goes free, she's going to need to leave because she's in serious danger of being lynched - so just take your 15 days of jail and then get the heck out of Dodge.

SHe was mindless for going there in the first place. Had she known her geography it would have been a no-brainer.
 

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