Pair Annihilation and Conservation of Momentum and Energy Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum and energy in the context of electron-positron annihilation, specifically addressing the mathematical steps involved in solving for the momenta of the resulting photons. Participants explore the reasoning behind adding equations related to momentum and energy to derive values for photon momenta.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the step of adding the equations for momentum and energy to solve for photon momenta.
  • Another participant provides a method for solving the equations by suggesting that adding the two equations allows for isolating the momenta.
  • There is a concern about the clarity and significance of combining momentum and total energy in the context of the problem.
  • A participant draws an analogy to a simpler algebra problem to illustrate the mathematical approach, emphasizing that there are multiple ways to solve such equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the mathematical steps involved, with some expressing uncertainty and others attempting to clarify the reasoning behind the approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of the combined equations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of understanding the initial conditions provided in the problem, which may affect the interpretation of the equations. There is also mention of the potential need to consult external notes for further clarification.

jk4
I'm a little unsure about a certain part of this shown in a book.
There is an electron and a positron moving in the +x direction. They annihilate each other and release 2 photons. to conserve momentum 1 moves in the -x and one in the +x direction.
So then the first step is to do conservation of momentum: [tex]p_{1} - p_{2}[/tex] (photon momentum 1 - photon momentum 2). It's a (-) because the second photon moves in the -x direction.

Then we find conservation of energy: [tex]p_{1}c + p_{2}c[/tex]
(obviously we set these equations equal to the electron values, but I'm leaving that out.)

Ok, so, they find values for both of those equations. But, what I'm not sure of is the next step. It says
"Now we add the two results and solve for [tex]p_{1}[/tex] and [tex]p_{2}[/tex]
so it looks like:
[tex](p_{1} - p_{2}) + (p_{1} + p_{2})[/tex]

Then I understand the rest, I just don't know why they add the 2 values. Total Energy and net Momentum.
 
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jk4 said:
… conservation of momentum: [tex]p_{1} - p_{2}[/tex] (photon momentum 1 - photon momentum 2). It's a (-) because the second photon moves in the -x direction.

Then we find conservation of energy: [tex]p_{1}c + p_{2}c[/tex]

Ok, so, they find values for both of those equations. But, what I'm not sure of is the next step. It says
"Now we add the two results and solve for [tex]p_{1}[/tex] and [tex]p_{2}[/tex]
so it looks like:
[tex](p_{1} - p_{2}) + (p_{1} + p_{2})[/tex]

Then I understand the rest, I just don't know why they add the 2 values. Total Energy and net Momentum.

Hi jk4! :smile:

You have p1 + p2 = A, p1 - p2 = B.

If you add: 2p1 = A + B, and 2p2 = A - B.

So that gives you p1 and p2. :smile:

What worries you about that? :confused:

(How else would you solve it?)
 
(How else would you solve it?)
That's why I asked. I like to learn things in a way that I don't have to do much memorizing, but so that it will be obvious to me if I ever come across it.
So I'm just not sure this will be that obvious to me.. Might have to actually consult my notes :(

Sorry, It just threw me because I'm not sure what is the significance of momentum+totalEnergy
 
jk4 said:
That's why I asked. I like to learn things in a way that I don't have to do much memorizing, but so that it will be obvious to me if I ever come across it.
So I'm just not sure this will be that obvious to me.. Might have to actually consult my notes :(

Sorry, It just threw me because I'm not sure what is the significance of momentum+totalEnergy

Your initial question is confusing because you don't say what information was provided to you. I am assuming that they gave you the total momentum and energy of the e-e+ pair, right?


Forget about particle physics for a second. It's just algebra. Let's say you have to solve

x+y = 10

x-y = 6

How would you solve that? There is not a single way. You could isolate x from the first equation and plug in the second and then solve for y. But the quick way is of course to add them up to get rid of y.

well, this is basically exactly the same type of algebra problem you are dealing with here except that your unknowns are p1 and p2. That's all there is to it.
 

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