Paper buckling and 2nd Order NL ODE

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the buckling problem of a clamped piece of paper, specifically focusing on deriving the shape of the paper using a nonlinear ordinary differential equation (ODE) derived from energy methods, while neglecting gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a nonlinear ODE for the angle of inclination of the paper, \(\frac{d^2\theta(s)}{ds^2} = \cos(\theta(s))\), and notes the challenge of satisfying four boundary conditions.
  • Another participant points out that only two boundary conditions are well-defined and suggests that the derivatives at the ends could be equal due to symmetry, but this does not constitute a well-defined boundary condition.
  • A different participant mentions a method for solving ODEs of the form \(y'' = f(y)\) and indicates that the solution leads to elliptic integrals or potentially more complex functions.
  • One participant raises a consideration about the physical implications of the paper's deformation into a bulb shape, suggesting that the clamps must have moved significantly, which would require accounting for the work done by the supports.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the boundary conditions and the implications of the paper's deformation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations regarding the specification of boundary conditions and the physical assumptions about the supports during deformation, which remain unresolved.

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Hi all,

I was looking at the buckling problem of a piece of paper with both ends clamped. When the two ends come closes they form a bulb-like shape and I was interested in deriving the shape numerically by solving NL ODE, which comes from energy methods (neglecting gravity).

The ODE I got is sth. like:

[tex]\frac{d^2\theta(s)}{ds^2}=cos(\theta(s))$[/tex]

where [tex]\theta(s)[/tex] is the angle the paper is inclined at, with respect to arc length s, and L is the total length of the paper.

Boundary conditions [tex]\theta(0)=\theta(L)=\pi/2, \theta'(0)=\theta'(L)[/tex].

It's a bit puzzling to me as there are 4 boundary conditions and the solution to the ODE doesn't seem to be able to satisfy all of them... Any thoughts? Or anything wrong with my energy approach? (Lagrangian = elastic energy - \lambda * constraint) Thanks a lot!
 
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Up to now, you have only two well defined boundary conditions :
theta(0)=pi/2
theta(L)=pi/2
The numerial values of the derivatives at s=0 and s=L are not specified. They can be equal just by symetry of the solution. But this equality iis not necessarily a well defined boundary condition.
By the way, the ODE can be analitically solved, thanks to elliptic integrals.
 
If your paper has deformed as much as a 'bulb shape' one or both of your 'supports' (the clamps) must have moved significantly from their original positions.
That is the supports do significant work.
You need to take this into account.

And welcome to Physics Forums.
 

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