Parachuting inside bales of hay

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The problem involves evaluating the safety of dropping soldiers from an altitude of 150 ft into snow using bales of hay as a landing method. It considers the impact pressure experienced by a soldier based on their weight and effective area, and whether this pressure remains within survivable limits.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles to determine impact speed and pressure. There are considerations about the assumptions made regarding constant force during impact and the implications of the snow's depth on force distribution.

Discussion Status

Some participants have raised concerns about the realism of the assumptions, particularly regarding the constancy of force and the effects of horizontal speed and rotational acceleration. There is acknowledgment of the need for a more nuanced understanding of the scenario, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the potential limitations of the assumptions made in the calculations, including the uniformity of force and the conditions of the snow. The discussion reflects a mix of theoretical analysis and practical considerations regarding the scenario presented.

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Homework Statement


During World War II the Russians, lacking sufficient
parachutes for airborne operations, occasionally dropped soldiers
inside bales of hay onto snow.
The human body can survive an average pressure on impact of
30 lb/in2 . Suppose that the lead plane drops a dummy bale equal
in weight to a loaded one from an altitude of 150 ft, and that the
pilot observes that it sinks about 2 ft into the snow. If the weight of
an average soldier is 144 lb and his effective area is 5 ft2 , is it safe
to drop the men?

Homework Equations


energy conservation

The Attempt at a Solution



For clarity, I set h1 = 150ft, h2 = 2ft, mg = 144lb, and S = 5lb/ft^2.

Using conservation of energy, the paratrooper's speed just before impact is ##v_i = \sqrt{2gh_1}##.

If ## E_r## is the mechanical energy once the paratrooper is at rest 2ft under snow, ##E_i## the mechanical energy at impact, and ##\vec N## the force of snow on man, then:

##
\left\{
\begin{array}{}
E_r = 0\\
E_i = mg (h_1+h_2) \\
E_r - E_i = \int_{\vec r_{impact}}^{\vec r_{rest}} \vec N.d\vec r
\end{array}
\right.
##

And, because the force of the snow is vertical,

## mg(h_1+h_2) = \int_{0}^{h_2} N(y) dy \approx h_2 N_{av} ##

So the average pressure the paratrooper must resist is

##\frac{N_{av}}{S} = 144*152/(2*5) \ lb/ft^2 = 152/(2*5) \ lb/in^2 = 15.2 \ lb/in^2 < 30 \ lb/in^2##

So yes it is 'safe' (non lethal). Is it correct ?
 
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Under the (problematic) assumption that the force is constant over the whole length, and if the airplane magically stops in the air, yes.
I'm sure the Russians used a better unit system.[/size]
 
I agree it is not very realistic :-)
Thank you for the reply !
 
mfb said:
Under the (problematic) assumption that the force is constant over the whole length, and if the airplane magically stops in the air, yes.
I'm sure the Russians used a better unit system.
Yes, two good points. The horizontal speed might not be a big deal if the bales are round, though of course that leads to the separate question of how great a rotational acceleration is tolerable.
For the constancy of vertical force, I suspect that depends largely on snow depth. For very deep snow it could be fairly constant.
 

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