Parametrization of su(2) group

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The discussion revolves around the parametrization of the su(2) group and its relationship to the SO(3) group. Participants explore the representation of elements in su(2) using traceless Hermitian matrices and the implications of the parameterization on rotations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that all elements of su(2) can be expressed as \exp(iH) with H being a traceless Hermitian matrix, and proposes a specific form for H involving a unit vector in R^3.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that a rotation about an angle phi is achieved with theta=phi/2, suggesting that the range of theta should be limited to ]-pi/2, pi/2] to avoid ambiguity in rotations.
  • A similar point is reiterated by another participant, emphasizing that a 180-degree rotation around the x-axis yields different results depending on the sign of theta.
  • A later reply identifies a critical issue where for \theta=\pi, \exp(iH) results in -1, indicating that the entire surface of the sphere is identified in su(2), contrasting with the identification of antipodal points in so(3).
  • One participant confirms the observation about the identification of points on the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct parametrization and implications of the su(2) group compared to so(3). There is no consensus on the initial claims made about the representation of elements in su(2).

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of the parameterization, particularly regarding the identification of points on the sphere and the resulting effects on rotations, without resolving the underlying mathematical details.

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all elements of su(2) can be written as

\exp(iH)

with H being a traceless hermitian matrix

thus H can be written as the sum of \sigma_x,\sigma_y,\sigma_z

H=\theta (n_x \sigma_x + n_y \sigma_y+ n_z \sigma_z).

Here (n_x,n_y,n_z) is a unit vector in R^3.

we can take \theta in the interval (-\pi,\pi]

Thus the su(2) group has the same parameter space as SO(3) group.

what is wrong?
 
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Not quite. A rotation about the angle phi is obtained with theta=phi/2, hence all rotations
in the interval phi in ]-pi,pi] are already obtained with theta in ]-pi/2, pi/2].
E.g. a 180 deg rotation of around x is obtained by exp(i pi/2 sigma_x)=i sigma_x which is not equal to a -180 deg rotation exp(-i pi/2 sigma_x)=-i sigma_x. Especially, a rotation of 360 deg is equal to -1 and not to 1.
 
DrDu said:
Not quite. A rotation about the angle phi is obtained with theta=phi/2, hence all rotations
in the interval phi in ]-pi,pi] are already obtained with theta in ]-pi/2, pi/2].
E.g. a 180 deg rotation of around x is obtained by exp(i pi/2 sigma_x)=i sigma_x which is not equal to a -180 deg rotation exp(-i pi/2 sigma_x)=-i sigma_x. Especially, a rotation of 360 deg is equal to -1 and not to 1.

but at which step i am wrong?
 
i now see one traphole

for \theta=\pi, \exp(iH) is -1 regardless of the direction of the vector n

so in contrast to so(3), where on the surface of the pi-radius sphere, two antipodal points are identified, for su(2), the whole surface is identified.
 
Exactly.
 

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