What is the general form of the rotation matrix in SU(2) space?

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The discussion revolves around the general form of the rotation matrix in SU(2) space, particularly focusing on the mathematical properties of the generators of rotations, the parametrization of these rotations, and the implications of these properties in the context of the special unitary group. The scope includes theoretical aspects of Lie algebras, matrix representations, and geometric interpretations of rotations.

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  • Some participants note that the \(\sigma\) matrices are the generators of rotations in SU(2) space and question the implications of defining \(J_i = \frac{1}{2}\sigma_i\) given that \(\det J_i \neq 1\).
  • Others argue that there is no problem with this definition since SU(2) is a Lie algebra and the determinant of the generators is not relevant.
  • Participants discuss how the general form of the rotation matrix \(e^{i\bf{\sigma} \theta\cdot \bf{\hat{n}}/2}\) arises, with some noting that \(\theta\) and \(\hat{n}\) parametrize the three-dimensional Lie algebra SU(2).
  • One participant explains that \(\hat{n}\) can represent any normalized 3D vector, allowing for the description of any linear combination, and that normalization is permissible since a multiplicative factor in the exponent does not affect the result.
  • Another participant presents the general spin-1/2 rotation matrix and discusses its properties, including the determinant and trace conditions.
  • There is a question regarding the geometric interpretation of the expression \(e^{-\mathrm{i} \vec{\sigma} \cdot \vec{\varphi}/2}\) and how it relates to rotations about an axis.
  • Some participants suggest mapping vectors to \(\vec{x} \cdot \vec{\sigma}\) and describe how the rotation is represented in the adjoint representation.
  • There is a discussion about how \(\hat{n}\) and \(\varphi\) are interpreted as the axis and angle of rotation, with a suggestion to decompose vectors into components parallel and orthogonal to \(\hat{n}\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the determinant of the generators and the geometric interpretation of the rotation matrix. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of these interpretations and the implications of the mathematical properties discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the rotation matrices and the generators, as well as unresolved mathematical steps related to the properties of the matrices and their determinants.

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Hi. I know that the \sigma matrices are the generators of the rotations in su(2) space. They satisfy
[\sigma_i,\sigma_j]=2i\epsilon_{ijk}\sigma_k It is conventional therefore to take J_i=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_i such that [J_i,J_j]=i\epsilon_{ijk}\sigma_k. Isn't there a problem by taking these J_i since \det J_i \neq 1? (since we are talking about the special unitary group.)
Also, how does one arrive at the general form of the rotation matrix e^{i\bf{\sigma} \theta\cdot \bf{\hat{n}}/2}? the factor of 1/2 obviously comes from the definition of J above. Where does the \hat n come from?
 
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Splinter1 said:
Hi. I know that the \sigma matrices are the generators of the rotations in su(2) space. They satisfy
[\sigma_i,\sigma_j]=2i\epsilon_{ijk}\sigma_k It is conventional therefore to take J_i=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_i such that [J_i,J_j]=i\epsilon_{ijk}\sigma_k. Isn't there a problem by taking these J_i since \det J_i \neq 1? (since we are talking about the special unitary group.)

No there is no problem here, su(2) is the Lie algebra of the group SU(2) and is a linear vector space. The determinant of the generators is not relevant (you will also notice that the determinants of the ##\sigma##s is -1.

Also, how does one arrive at the general form of the rotation matrix e^{i\bf{\sigma} \theta\cdot \bf{\hat{n}}/2}? the factor of 1/2 obviously comes from the definition of J above. Where does the \hat n come from?

Any SU(2) matrix can be written as an exponentiation of an element of the Lie group su(2). The ##\theta## and the ##\hat n## simply parametrise the three-dimensional Lie algebra su(2).
 
Orodruin said:
No there is no problem here, su(2) is the Lie algebra of the group SU(2) and is a linear vector space. The determinant of the generators is not relevant (you will also notice that the determinants of the ##\sigma##s is -1.
I see. Thank you
Orodruin said:
Any SU(2) matrix can be written as an exponentiation of an element of the Lie group su(2). The ##\theta## and the ##\hat n## simply parametrise the three-dimensional Lie algebra su(2).
Ok. And \hat n parametrizes it since it can include any (normalized) 3d vector, thus describing any linear combination, and we can choose it to be normalized since a multiplicative factor in the exponent doesn't matter. Is that correct?
 
The general spin-1/2 rotation matrix reads
$$D(\vec{\varphi})=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \vec{\sigma} \cdot \vec{\varphi}/2),$$
where the magnitude of ##\vec{\varphi}## denotes the rotation angle and its direction ##\hat{n}=\vec{\varphi}/|\vec{\varphi}|## in the sense of the right-hand rule.

Since
$$\mathrm{det} D=\exp[\mathrm{Tr}(\ln D)]=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \mathrm{Tr} \vec{\varphi} \cdot \vec{\sigma}/2) \stackrel{!}{=} 1,$$
it follows that
$$\mathrm{Tr} \sigma_j=0, \quad j \in \{1,2,3 ,\}.$$
Further ##D^{\dagger}=D^{-1}## implies that
$$\sigma_j^{\dagger}=\sigma_j, \quad j \in \{1,2,3 \}.$$
Thus the generators of spin-1/2 rotations are the Hermitean traceless ##\mathbb{C}^{2 \times 2}## matrices, which build a vector space and together with the commutator a Lie algebra.
 
vanhees71 said:
The general spin-1/2 rotation matrix reads
$$D(\vec{\varphi})=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \vec{\sigma} \cdot \vec{\varphi}/2),$$
where the magnitude of ##\vec{\varphi}## denotes the rotation angle and its direction ##\hat{n}=\vec{\varphi}/|\vec{\varphi}|## in the sense of the right-hand rule.

Since
$$\mathrm{det} D=\exp[\mathrm{Tr}(\ln D)]=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \mathrm{Tr} \vec{\varphi} \cdot \vec{\sigma}/2) \stackrel{!}{=} 1,$$
it follows that
$$\mathrm{Tr} \sigma_j=0, \quad j \in \{1,2,3 ,\}.$$
Further ##D^{\dagger}=D^{-1}## implies that
$$\sigma_j^{\dagger}=\sigma_j, \quad j \in \{1,2,3 \}.$$
Thus the generators of spin-1/2 rotations are the Hermitean traceless ##\mathbb{C}^{2 \times 2}## matrices, which build a vector space and together with the commutator a Lie algebra.
Thank you. How do you see the geometrical meaning of the expression \exp(-\mathrm{i} \vec{\sigma} \cdot \vec{\varphi}/2? i.e. how do you see that it means a rotation at an angle \varphi about the axis \hat{\varphi}? I thought about showing that the rotation matrix doesn't change the axis vector \hat{\varphi}=\hat{n}, as the axis should not rotate, but I'm not sure how to do this.
 
You can map the three vectors to
##X=\vec{x} \cdot \vec{\sigma}.##
Then the rotation is given by
##X'=D(\vec{\varphi}) X D^{-1}(\vec{\varphi}).##
This is the socalled adjoint representation, which is the fundamental representation of rotations in terms of SO(3).
 
vanhees71 said:
You can map the three vectors to
##X=\vec{x} \cdot \vec{\sigma}.##
Then the rotation is given by
##X'=D(\vec{\varphi}) X D^{-1}(\vec{\varphi}).##
This is the socalled adjoint representation, which is the fundamental representation of rotations in terms of SO(3).
But how \hat{n} and \varphi are interpreted as the axis and the angle of the rotation?
 
Splinter1 said:
But how \hat{n} and \varphi are interpreted as the axis and the angle of the rotation?

Take an arbitrary vector and decompose it into a part parallel (or ant-parallel) to n, and a part orthogonal to n. The part parallel to n remains invariant (because it is along the axis of rotation), and the part orthogonal to n rotates by angle psi in a plane orthogonal to n.
 

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