Partial Derivative f(x,y')=1: Why & True?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of partial derivatives, specifically examining the partial derivative of the function f(x, y') = x + y' with respect to y', and the implications of treating y' as independent of x. Participants explore the validity of the assertion that this partial derivative equals 1, considering the relationships between the variables involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the partial derivative of f with respect to y' equals 1, given the assumption that dx/dy' = 0.
  • Another participant references an external source to support the claim that the assertion is true.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim by stating that since y' = dy/dx, y may depend on x, suggesting that there could be a relationship between x and y' that contradicts the assumption of independence.
  • Another participant reflects on their own confusion regarding the concept, questioning the validity of defining partial derivatives if y is a function of x, but concludes that it is acceptable to treat y as a parameter for the purpose of differentiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the independence of y' from x, leading to unresolved questions about the validity of the initial claim regarding the partial derivative.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential complications arising from the dependence of y on x, which may affect the interpretation of the partial derivative. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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let f(x, y') = x + y'
where y' = dy/dx
then is it true, and why, that the partial derivative of f with respect to y' = 1
in this case we consder dx/dy' = 0, as if they are independent of each other.
 
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but since y' = dy/dx , then y depends on x, and y' might depend on x too
therefore there might be a relation between x and y', and dx/dy' doesn't necessarily equal zero
 
To tell the truth, that bothered me as well when I first encountered the concept. The professor was confused as to why I even asked the question. Consider a function f(x,y). Is there any problem with defining partial derivatives with respect to x and y? What if, unbeknownst to you, y is actually a function of x? Well, the answer is no problem. As far as f(x,y) is concerned, y is just a parameter that can take any value. You can substitute the relationship y(x) into the mix after you take the partial derivative.
 

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