Partial derivative stationary point

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The discussion focuses on finding stationary points of a function using partial derivatives. The user attempts to solve the equations \(f_x=0\) and \(f_y=0\) but repeatedly arrives at the point (0,0), while Wolfram Alpha provides additional solutions: \(x=0, y=-1/2\), \(x=-1, y=0\), and \(x=1, y=-2\). The advice given emphasizes the importance of substituting expressions derived from one partial derivative into the other and acknowledges that not all functions possess stationary points. The user is encouraged to verify their derivatives and explore the implications of their findings.

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Homework Statement


Hi guys, I am having real trouble with the function 10ii) I can take the derivatives, but I feel like I am missing something, with what I have done. I set $f_x=0$and $f_y=0$ but really can't seem to find away to solve, i keep getting (0,0) which when I plug into wolfram it come out with $$x=0,y=-1/2$$, $$x=-1,y=0$$ and $$x=1, y=-2$$
So this make me think have I done the partial right?

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$$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}=-2(x^2y-x-1)(2xy-1)-2(x^2-1)(2x)$$
$$\frac{\partial}{\partial y}=-2(x^2y-x-1)(x^2)$$$$-2(x^2y-x-1)(2xy-1)-2(x^2-1)(2x)=0$$
$$-2(x^2y-x-1)(x^2)=0$$

but where do I go from here?

Could someone please give advice, thanks in advance.
 
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Taylor_1989 said:
I set ##f_x=0\ ## and ##f_y=0##

Two hashes (#) to get inline ##\TeX##, two dollars ($) to get displayed math :smile:

Check ##f_x## and ##f_y## (*); once OK, ##f_y## gives you something to substitute in ##f_x=0##

(*) [edit] right, thanks Dick :smile: (I copied the 2 inside the [ ] o:) )
 
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The partials look ok. Think about the y derivative first. It's zero if i) x=0 OR y=?. Fill in the ? with an expression in x. Substitute that into the x derivative.
 
Not every function of x and y has a stationary point - it is always possible that your function has none.
In that case you will not be able to find it! But then you have to prove it doesn't exist.
In this case I think there is a stationary point.
fy is nicely factorised, which is help. One of the factors is closely related to a bracket in fx which is another help.

Not every condition for one of your derivatives to be 0 necessarily allows the the other to be 0. :oldwink:
(Though even if it doesn't, your zeros of one of them still gives information about what the surface f looks like)
 

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