Partially Decoupled System with 3 variables

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of differential equations represented by an initial value problem involving three variables: x, y, and z. Participants are focused on finding the general solution for the system, particularly the function x(t), after establishing solutions for y(t) and z(t).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial value problem and shares their solutions for y(t) and z(t), expressing difficulty in finding x(t).
  • Another participant agrees with the solutions for y(t) and z(t) and suggests a form for the particular solution for x(t) based on the non-homogeneous part of the equation.
  • A participant questions whether to solve for coefficients A and B simultaneously or individually after substituting the particular solution into the equation.
  • Further clarification is provided on equating coefficients for the terms involving e^{4t} and e^{6t} to find A and B.
  • One participant concludes that A and B can be determined as A = 2/3 and B = 3/5 based on the equations derived from the coefficients.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the solutions for y(t) and z(t) and the approach to finding x(t). However, there is a discussion about the method of solving for coefficients A and B, indicating some uncertainty in the approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve whether the method of solving for A and B should be simultaneous or individual, leaving this aspect open to interpretation.

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Hello!

I have the following initial value problem:
\[ x' = x + 2y + 3z \]
\[ y' = 4y + 5z \]
\[ z' = 6z \]

All I'm looking to do is find the general solution to this system, and as long as I'm doing this correctly I have these answers:

\[ y(t) = K_2e^{4t} + \tfrac{5K_1}{2}e^{6t} \]
\[ z(t)=K_1e^{6t} \]

But I'm having trouble getting x(t) to finish this up. Any help on what my next steps should be?
 
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Omzyma said:
Hello!

I have the following initial value problem:
\[ x' = x + 2y + 3z \]
\[ y' = 4y + 5z \]
\[ z' = 6z \]

All I'm looking to do is find the general solution to this system, and as long as I'm doing this correctly I have these answers:

\[ y(t) = K_2e^{4t} + \tfrac{5K_1}{2}e^{6t} \]
\[ z(t)=K_1e^{6t} \]

But I'm having trouble getting x(t) to finish this up. Any help on what my next steps should be?
I agree with your solutions to z(t) and y(t). What's the difficulty? You will have
[math]x' = x + 2 \left ( K_2 e^{4t} \right ) + 3 \left ( \dfrac{5}{2} K_1 e^{6t} \right )[/math]

You've shown you can solve the homogeneous equation. So pick your particular solution: [math]x_p = A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ B \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math]

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
I agree with your solutions to z(t) and y(t). What's the difficulty? You will have
[math]x' = x + 2 \left ( K_2 e^{4t} \right ) + 3 \left ( \dfrac{5}{2} K_1 e^{6t} \right )[/math]

You've shown you can solve the homogeneous equation. So pick your particular solution: [math]x_p = A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ B \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math]

-Dan
Thanks for your reply!

Picking [math]x_p = A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ B \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math] as my particular solution I ended up with [math]3A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ 5B \left ( e^{6t} \right ) = 2K_2 \left ( e^{4t} \right ) + 3K_1 \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math]

At this point do I solve for both A and B simultaneously, making either A or B as function of the other? Or should I just make like terms equal to each other and solve for A and B individually?
 
Omzyma said:
Thanks for your reply!

Picking [math]x_p = A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ B \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math] as my particular solution I ended up with [math]3A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ 5B \left ( e^{6t} \right ) = 2K_2 \left ( e^{4t} \right ) + 3K_1 \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math]

At this point do I solve for both A and B simultaneously, making either A or B as function of the other? Or should I just make like terms equal to each other and solve for A and B individually?
If you have [math]3A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ 5B \left ( e^{6t} \right ) = 2K_2 \left ( e^{4t} \right ) + 3K_1 \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math] true for all t then [math]3A = 2 K_2[/math] and [math]5B = 3 K_1[/math].

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
If you have [math]3A \left ( e^{4t} \right )+ 5B \left ( e^{6t} \right ) = 2K_2 \left ( e^{4t} \right ) + 3K_1 \left ( e^{6t} \right )[/math] true for all t then [math]3A = 2 K_2[/math] and [math]5B = 3 K_1[/math].

-Dan
So that would mean [math] A=\tfrac{2}{3} [/math] and [math] B = \tfrac{3}{5}! [/math]

Thanks for your help. Just needed a little nudge I guess.
 

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